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Old 12-08-09, 07:16 PM
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Cinelli "project" centurion ?

Just obtained this Cinelli Centurion. The decals state "Cinelli Project Centurion". A couple of other differences from the typical Cinelli Equippe Cent though --

No chrome on the steer tube lugs.
Fork crown is smooth without the relief lugged effect I have seen on other Equippes.
Suntour Superbe crank, brakes - but of course anyone who was in their right mind and using the bike in 1990 would probably have upgraded the Ofmega crap to Suntour.

Tubular tires.

The most interesting thing is the decals. They are seriously old. ( The bike appears to have the original paint and the Columbus decals appear to be originals..) If someone did replace the decals I can not figure out why they would manufacture a set which proclaimed it a Cinelli Project Centurion---

Anybody have any thoughts or seen one like it.

By the way - the question of whether it was manufactured of Italian parts in Japan - as Panasonic did do with their team issue bikes, is easily answered by viewing the bike in person - the finish is of the low quality associated with Italian bikes...
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Originally Posted by valentinodel View Post
Just obtained this Cinelli Centurion. The decals state "Cinelli Project Centurion". A couple of other differences from the typical Cinelli Equippe Cent though --

No chrome on the steer tube lugs.
Fork crown is smooth without the relief lugged effect I have seen on other Equippes.
Suntour Superbe crank, brakes - but of course anyone who was in their right mind and using the bike in 1990 would probably have upgraded the Ofmega crap to Suntour.

Tubular tires.

The most interesting thing is the decals. They are seriously old. ( The bike appears to have the original paint and the Columbus decals appear to be originals..) If someone did replace the decals I can not figure out why they would manufacture a set which proclaimed it a Cinelli Project Centurion---

Anybody have any thoughts or seen one like it.

By the way - the question of whether it was manufactured of Italian parts in Japan - as Panasonic did do with their team issue bikes, is easily answered by viewing the bike in person - the finish is of the low quality associated with Italian bikes...
Is this the one that was on ebay but ended early? The expert on this would be BF member A.Winthrop. I'll alert him to your thread. I seem to remember him mentioning a red decal set, but I'm not certain. Interesting find.
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Others will chime in, but I also seem to remember that Cyclart produced a decal set for the Cenutrion Cinelli with the word "Project" in it. However, yours don't appear to be applied as well as Cyclart would do it, and it's my understanding they won't sell the decals separately - you have to purchase both the set and their application services. You say the frame looks like a poorly finished Italian job; does that hold for the paint as well? Perhaps it's a respray?

Or it could simply be an early version - of what appears to have been a 1 or 2 year run.
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Old 12-08-09, 08:32 PM
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Yes the bike is the one that was on the criminal enterprise we know as ebay...<br><br>I spoke with Cyclart yesterday and they told me they did not sell the decals by themselves. He also told me they clear the decals and these do appear to have been cleared. But if they used the "Cinelli Project"...<br><br><br>
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Lotus also had a Cinelli project bike, and it had the internally lugged fork crown like yours, as well as the painted head lugs. However, the couple I've seen had Lotus branded seat stay caps. Is anything marked on your BB shell?

There may also have been other Japanese Cinelli project bikes.
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Here's T-Mar on the Lotus Cinellis:

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The Lotus record was indeed designed by Cinelli as were 2 other models. However, the ads implied more, stating, "three full-on high performance racing machines made in Italy through an exclusive association of Lotus and Cinelli bicycles". The tubing was Columbus SLX, or SPX if it was a really large frame. The components should be all Campagnolo (C-)Record, including rims, Cinelli bars stem and saddle, Clement tires. Vintage is 1985 or slightly later. Several of the parts were pantographed, including 'LOTUS' on the chainrings and the Lotus symbol on the front of the Cinelli stem. Original price was $1399.00 US, or slightly higher, depending on the year. Given the ties with Cinelli and the fact that this was a limited edition, this model has very good collectibility.
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Yeah, those file marks on the lugs add...character!
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I have not been able to log into the forum since I made the original posts... Thought maybe I really was banned but it appears to be a case of bade forum software. Just spent an hour composing a detailed reply and attaching a couple of pics and when I attempted to post it it asked me to sign in again. When I did it had erased the post!!

Anyway here is a shot of the BB - note SV forged in front of Made In Italy and no serial number just stamped 56...
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I also attached a pic found in the centurion database which is labeld "euippe pre restoration" which appears to show a similar decal -- don't know who posted it.

By the way, the bike does have the Cinelli winged C stamped on the tops of the seat stays and the seat stay brace.
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Well, there's really no evidence to suggest it's not a Centurion Cinelli, so unless you learn otherwise, I'd call it one. The BB shell is the same as on most Centurion Cinellis I've seen, an SC model with the 'can opener' tangs (top and bottom of chainstays tubes rather than on the sides). I believe the Centution Cinelli Equipes only had a size stamped on the shell, so that jibes, though I think the location of yours is different. I've not seen one in the center of the shell. Also, the shell on the Equipes I've seen has cutouts, like this:



Looks like the bridge between your chainstays (right behind the BB) is different as well.

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The BB and the chainstay brace are different - They did not show up in the picture but the brace has small diamond shaped reinforcements at its ends exactly like my 85 Torpado. Another interesting thing is that it does not have a DR braze on. The area around the DR clamp seems smooth and round and I doubt that if a braze on had been removed it would be so regular.

I am comming to the conclusion that it is probably an early bike built either as an example, or before they had finalized exactly what they wanted the model to be.

A few other observsations:

The seat post measures exactly 56 cm but the bike seems considerably smaller than either my Ironman 56CM or the Torpado 56CM. It is also about 1 3/4 pounds lighter than Ironman and 3 lbs. lighter than the Torp. Somewhat unfair comparison though since those bikes have heavier stems and bars and grip shifters and different wheels.

I took it for a short ride and came to the conclusion that it is considerably more flexible than the Ironman or the Torpado. Is this typical? Seamed to me like the fork much more flexible than those of the other bikes.
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I suspect this may be a European version. Based on the few European Centurion that have surfaced, they favoured simpler graphics and less bling. That could explain the decals, lack of chrome on the head lugs and the fully integrated fork crown.
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The seat post measures exactly 56 cm but the bike seems considerably smaller than either my Ironman 56CM or the Torpado 56CM. It is also about 1 3/4 pounds lighter than Ironman and 3 lbs. lighter than the Torp. Somewhat unfair comparison though since those bikes have heavier stems and bars and grip shifters and different wheels.

I took it for a short ride and came to the conclusion that it is considerably more flexible than the Ironman or the Torpado. Is this typical? Seamed to me like the fork much more flexible than those of the other bikes.
That's interesting. Mine is 60 cm, and while larger frames flex more than smaller frames for obvious reasons, I find the Centurion Equipe ride a nearly perfect compromise between stiffness and comfort. It does flex somewhat (like any frame) but I wouldn't describe it as whippy. Of course, I can't compare it to an Ironman or Torpado. I do believe your frame size would be built with Columbus SL, which is thinner than the SP/SL mix that most likely comprises my frame. So, it's possible the SL tubes are thinner than those on your Ironman and Torpado.
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I suspect this may be a European version. Based on the few European Centurion that have surfaced, they favoured simpler graphics and less bling. That could explain the decals, lack of chrome on the head lugs and the fully integrated fork crown.
Were braze-on front derailleur tabs also less favored in Europe?
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Were braze-on front derailleur tabs also less favored in Europe?
Based on personal observations, I'd say yes. When Campagnolo introduced their braze-on front derailleur, circa 1982, there were numerous cases of seat tube damage, with the fitting being ripped from the tube in severe cases. This caused a backlash against brazed-on front derailleurs. When Columbus addressed the problem by introducing the SLX/SPX tubes, the Europeans accepted the solution and used front derailleur braze-ons with SLX/SPX but were reluctant to use them on SL frames. Eventually they did come around but for a time in the mid-1980s, front derailleur braze-ons were relatively rare on European market SL frames. Their presence on any USA models seem to have been at the insistence of the importer.

Another example seems to have been pump pegs on the head tube. Many European brands reportedly included these reluctantly, again at the insistence of their importers.
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... but of course anyone who was in their right mind and using the bike in 1990 would probably have upgraded the Ofmega crap to Suntour...
Like Ashley, I would not use the term "crap" to define the Ofmega components and Universal brakeset.

One must remember the original concept for this bicycle; to deliver an all Italian bicycle, from a renowned designer, for under $1000 US. At the time, there were probably only two choices on the designer short list, Cinelli and Colnago. Others just did not have wide market recognition in the USA. By going with Cinelli, WSI was obligated to use the full gamut of Cinelli products (BB shell, fork crown, lugs, stay caps, bar, stem, saddle and handlebar tape). This would give the impression that it was a Cinelli manufactured frame (which WSI were very careful to avoid stating in the ad copy) and increase sales. The down side was that these expenses forced them to make cost concessions on the components. A full Campagnolo and Cinelli model would have cost several hundred dollars extra and shot them well over the critical sub-$1000 target. So WSI made cost concessions by going to second tier Italian manufacturers for most of the components. Most of these components are very good and certainly far better value than Campagnolo NR/SR, even if the performance is not quite up to that level. In fact, the place where this model could have most benefited from an Ofmega are the derailleurs. The Nuovo Record are woefully old and sub-standard compared to the Ofmega offerings of the era. Unfortunately, the only component that garners the attention from a customer is the rear derailleur and if it did not say Campagnolo, the sales would probably have dropped drastically.

Personally, I feel that WSI made very intelligent decisions regarding this model, given their intended market and price. As I 've told Ashley, if I could own only one Centurion, this would be my choice, even though other models are arguably better built, prettier or perform better. This model definitely has a visceral appeal.
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Looks like I hit something of a nerve with my characterization of the Ofmega components as "crap". Perhaps the language was a bit intemperate (maybe "stuff" would have been better), but before addressing that question let me point out that I am an admirer of the Centurion brand, presently own other Centurions, and in the past have owned many other Centurions of various models (most of which left my possession only because of size considerations). I specifically sought out an Equippe because I had not previously owned one. In fact I came very close to purchasing an Equippe in Montana, the value of which was discussed in this forum several months ago. I was interested in an Equippe because of how it fits into the totality of the Centurion progression rather than because of its "Italianess". I have, over the years owned a bunch of other Italian bikes and had my desire been to simply own a Cinelli, I would have sought out a Cinelli...

While I am not a Europhile who believes that all things European are better, I am also not someone who stumbled onto the bike at a garage or rummage sale and has no appreciation for what the Equippe was or was trying to be.

My comments were not intended to alarm annoy or belittle. What I was trying to convey was that although the bike itself seemed to have a substantial number of deviations (in frame construction, paint and decals) from the standard model Equippes I had seen, I was pretty sure that the component array was not stock. In fact it struck me that the bike was exactly as it would have been, had any of the serious bicycle people or aspiring racers I knew in the mid 80's upgraded the bike at that point in time. In those days we all came to believe that the Superbe components were so profoundly better than anything else, that all other components then available were junk or (sorry) "crap" in comparison. I had assumed that this was a universally held belief but this apparently is not the case...

Inevitably this has opened up a line of discussion of various components and which were "good" or "best".

Ultimately though, these dissertations have little meaning. The quality or lack thereof is irrelevant. If the path chosen is to restore the bike as it was, then the OEM equipment is required. On the other hand if you believe that high quality lug frame steel bikes fitted with modern components have a continuing place in the modern world you are going to equip it with ergo shifters and dual pivot brakes rather than in non OEM but perhaps "better"1985 parts. As far as I am concerned, in either case, if the owner is enjoying himself he is doing the right thing.

Right now my visceral bike is my 1987 Dave Scott Ironman. I did not buy the Equippe to look at it though, so perhaps after I get a chance to put in some miles that evaluation will change...
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I think that is a re-do of one of the odd blue "Centurion" Cinellis that we've seen a couple of. It's frame is nearly identical to those, except for the color. The fork is the same, very similar to the Super Corsa.

If you go to the thread RFC started here about the Equipe model, and look at the bottom, the orange re-do by CyclArt appears to be this same type of frame. Their decals are the only one's I've seen with "project" in them.

My educated guess is that both this bike and the orange one in RFC's thread were done by CyclArt, and were originally the blue "maybe Equipe's" that we see on eBay from time to time. However, on none of those blue ones, or this one, have I seen any type of OEM decal that mentions Centurion. They may be out there, I've just not seen one.
Just another question to be answered when we all meet up in bike heaven and get to speak to Gino. The connection is what we're after, gotta be one somewhere....

My theory is that when Cinelli sold to Columbus, some bikes escaped to hook up one last time with the Bianchi girls in town, and ended up milling about the planet.

And further, it's a pretty darn nice bike, no matter the proper purity of pedigree. It appears to be my size, and yep, I'd take it in a half a heart beat.
I'd strip it, paint it bright red, apply Cinelli decals, and go find a guy on a Super Corsa and race him. Then we'd retire for vino or a bottle of Fat Tire.

And Ofmega? I think their crankset was the nicest made in 1985. It just didn't match anything.
I'd love to have an Ofmega group...

I am so glad you didn't get that bike in Montana. I paid through the nose for that thing.

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.....let me point out that I am an admirer of the Centurion brand, presently own other Centurions, and in the past have owned many other Centurions of various models (most of which left my possession only because of size considerations). I specifically sought out an Equipe because I had not previously owned one. In fact I came very close to purchasing an Equipe in Montana, the value of which was discussed in this forum several months ago. I was interested in an Equipe because of how it fits into the totality of the Centurion progression rather than because of its "Italianess". I have, over the years owned a bunch of other Italian bikes and had my desire been to simply own a Cinelli, I would have sought out a Cinelli......
This man is undoubtedly highly intelligent. We need to send him his cult membership right away.

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.....Right now my visceral bike is my 1987 Dave Scott Ironman. I did not buy the Equippe to look at it though, so perhaps after I get a chance to put in some miles that evaluation will change...
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I bought one of these new in circa '85 in Santa Monica. I remember the decals being more of a purplish tint? First thing I did was pull the Centurion decals off (no clear coat) and pretend it was a Cinelli. Still have the frame hanging in the basement. The frames were definitely heavy duty. I've not weighed it but compared to my '85 Team Olmo, it's much heavier. It was my first real road bike, rode it for about a year then moved up. It was a good bike, used it for commuting to work in California with the addition of Araya clinchers.
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/\ /\ And what size would that frame be???
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Originally Posted by valentinodel View Post
Just obtained this Cinelli Centurion. The decals state "Cinelli Project Centurion". A couple of other differences from the typical Cinelli Equippe Cent though --

No chrome on the steer tube lugs.
Fork crown is smooth without the relief lugged effect I have seen on other Equippes.
Suntour Superbe crank, brakes - but of course anyone who was in their right mind and using the bike in 1990 would probably have upgraded the Ofmega crap to Suntour.

Tubular tires.

The most interesting thing is the decals. They are seriously old. ( The bike appears to have the original paint and the Columbus decals appear to be originals..) If someone did replace the decals I can not figure out why they would manufacture a set which proclaimed it a Cinelli Project Centurion---

Anybody have any thoughts or seen one like it.

By the way - the question of whether it was manufactured of Italian parts in Japan - as Panasonic did do with their team issue bikes, is easily answered by viewing the bike in person - the finish is of the low quality associated with Italian bikes...
Images of this "European" Centurion Cinelli in original titanium silver (I have seen one in light metallic blue), have identical features as those found on my "mystery" frame. I guess I can no longer call my frame a mystery because it has now been ID'ed. Even though all paint has been removed, a perfect outline of the "project" head tube decal remains. As far as I can tell, this is a one of a kind decal only found on the "project" Centurion Cinelli's.

Hey Robbie, still want to work on this frame? I am not sure about using Cinelli red any longer now that I know this beast came in at least two colors. I am not fond of the original titanium silver but do like the metallic blue. Let's talk.

John

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So does anyone here know what it is worth? I have one as well. Blue, with Cinelli project on the decal. ALL original, as I bought it from Bikology in Santa Monica CA in 1983. Well all except the seat and pedels. I am thinking of selling, as I turned 58 in Jan and just don't ride it enough to keep it. But I have no idea what the value is. Any help is appreciated!
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