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Old 01-29-10, 10:57 PM
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Value of '89 Prelude

I found a Schwinn Prelude in a pawn shop. Who knows, it could be gone by now, and it's a 23" frame I believe (a wee bit small for me but not ridiculously so), but if it's still there, what would a decent price be? I think this is the one (catalog page).
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A decent price for that frame would be $75-100 or so (market price about twice as much). It is Columbus Tenax (read: SL or SP depending on the size), but the components suck... Suntour never got index shifting right, so if you ride it, you want to replace the drivetrain with Shimano (that's a $50-100 proposition there.) Nice bike, fairly relaxed geometry, you can do a lot of things with it.
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$75 to $100 would be a steal around here for a complete bike. So if you are buying to flip, that would be a nice acquisition price.

The bike all cleaned up and ready to ride would have no trouble selling for about $225 around here ($250 tops). I have had a couple of 1986 Preludes in the last year, that had nice Suntour Cyclone components. The 1989 had 700c wheels, a big plus over the 1986.

Back then, sizing came in two inch increments. So the next size up from a 23 inch is a 25 inch. So unless you are pretty tall, the 23 may be the closest you are gonig to get with this model.

The Prelude is the lowest of the Tenax frame bikes by Schwinn. I would consider all of the Tenax bikes to be really nice, somewhat underappreciated. I have seen Varsities and Continentals go for close to the same price around here.

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My Raleigh Marathon is a 25 and it fits reasonably well, maybe just a little bit big (I'm 6'-2") so I think a 23" would work. I need to take another look at it and decide (if it's still there). The price was lower than what you've posted. If I didn't have to buy a new wheel for my commuter bike I'd jump on this. As it is, I may wait until next week and then decide. If it's gone, it wasn't meant to be.

I really need to get a fun money stash going again so I can jump on opportunities like these.
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Okay... update-

. The bike is a 23"; I confirmed that. It's an inch shorter than my Schwinn Cutter single speed so the size should probably be okay for me.

. It's not an '89. Head badge stamp is 1807 which would make it mid 1987, but the Prelude did not come in black according to the catalog. It does have Shimano derailleurs which came on the '87 model.

. There is some kind of weird rust going on hear the head tube. It doesn't appear the frame is damaged, but the surface finish is wonky. Is this bad enough to run away?











So basically I need to see if I can shake a few bucks out the budget during the same week I'm buying a new wheel for my commuter, plus decide if that frame stuff going on is just a little rusty from where the previous owner sweated or whether it indicates a real frame problem. I examined the frame and shifted gears, spun tires, everything else looks good.

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Bike is a 1987 model. At the right price, I would be all over it. Minor rust can be easily handled by using one of the rust converter products. It dries black, which is good for this bike. If your budget is tight (and whose is not), I would clean it up, flip it and start building a bike fund.

Those crappy stem shifters need to go if you have some Shimano bits laying around. Otherwise, it would pull the market value down somewhat to maybe $200 in fully refurbished, ready to ride condition.
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I have Suntour clamp-on stem shifters; would they work?
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I have Suntour clamp-on stem shifters; would they work?
Not with the rest of the components which are shimano index, if you want index. You can get a pair of Shimano 6sp index shifters for $10 from a lot of places
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$50.....max. Its beat up.
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Not with the rest of the components which are shimano index, if you want index. You can get a pair of Shimano 6sp index shifters for $10 from a lot of places
Such as....? The shifters on there are "Shenshi" friction shifters. If I could get some 6-speed indexing shifters on there, that would be cool. That and some frame touch-up and it think it's ready for flipping if I decide not to keep it. (Yeah, I picked it up this afternoon.) I also got some of that rust converter.

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$50.....max. Its beat up.
Yeah, that's in the ballpark of what they were asking.
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You did really good at $50. The reaction to stem shifters really depends on the buyer. To a sophisticated buyer, they will be turned off big time by the stem shifters. But others may like them. I would get some decent six speed clamp on Shimano indexed DT shifters. But the stem shifters on a bike that nice bother me. As a purely financial move, you probably will not make much more than the cost of the shifters by making such a change. Often, less is more, unless the bike is really franken'd up (like the Cannondale T600 I picked up last year, with cheap MTB stem, handlebars and twistgrip shifters haphazardly installed on it). The money I spent putting the right bars, stem and DT shifters was well rewarded.

I would do the regular bearings, grease, and cable replacement. And raise the seat. And a really thorough cleanup.
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About the color... it is an '87. Schwinn called that black "midnight mauve". Also came in pink.

The original shifters on this bike were SLL-434, which was bottom end Shimano SIS shifter. I am not sure that you can find any of those but any Shimano 6spd index shifter will drive up the value of the bike at least by twice the amount it will cost you to acquire those shifters... This is a case where a bike probably is worth more than the sum of its components, because the components are so basic on a nice frame. I cannot see anyone who would want to buy a Prelude with the current shifters, not only because they are stem-mounted, but because they are friction and you lose a lot of the original functionality of the bike.

This is about as much as you should expect to pay for those shifters... not a bad deal... and if you want new something like this would be a vast improvement.
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Cool, thanks for the tips. I found the same set at ebikestop. I take it they would look pretty much the same as the picture for the 7-speed shifters they have...



There's a swap meet next Sunday; not sure if I'll make it there (other plans already), but if I do I'll see what I can find.


EDIT for anyone tripping across this thread: I did find Shimano S.I.S. shifters at that swap meet, for only $5. the bike cleaned up pretty good.
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I don't want to start a new thread for my question, so I figured I would tack it onto this thread. Okay, so here is the Prelude as it sits today



I repaired the paint on the frame, put SIS downtube shifters on, got all black cables on it, added black leather handlebar tape. Several people have commented favorably on the black theme of th ebike. So.... I am in the habit of naming my bikes and I've been thinking about this one for a while and finally the black theme kind of linked itself with Darth Vader. So I'm thinking of a name like Darth Bike, Darth Schwinn or Darth Prelude. How do those sound? Which do you prefer? Any other name ideas?
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Looks nice.

I sold the Prelude I've had here, for $260. I had asked for $300.

The paint is in bad shape, but the buyer says she doesn't care. I'm happy. I think I paid only $80 for it, and I think the only parts I put into it are a spoke and handlebar tape. I reaped some parts from it, too.
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I sold a prelude recently too. Listed for $300 - accepted $250 for it. sold in 2 days. probably could have gotten my full asking b/c it had literally 2 scratches on it, but bought it for $85 and needed the cash to fund some triathlon entry fees.
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I sold a prelude recently too. Listed for $300 - accepted $250 for it. sold in 2 days. probably could have gotten my full asking b/c it had literally 2 scratches on it, but bought it for $85 and needed the cash to fund some triathlon entry fees.
Don't you hate the size of those tri entry fees? I could buy a bike for each tri I enter
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Don't you hate the size of those tri entry fees? I could buy a bike for each tri I enter
yeah, getting worse and worse. but i essentially entered 2 of them for free, right? unless you count the time looking for bikes + cleaning up the bike + selling time...
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Do you guys read the words or just look at the pretty pictures?

To make it easy:
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I repaired the paint on the frame, put SIS downtube shifters on, got all black cables on it, added black leather handlebar tape. Several people have commented favorably on the black theme of th ebike. So.... I am in the habit of naming my bikes and I've been thinking about this one for a while and finally the black theme kind of linked itself with Darth Vader. So I'm thinking of a name like Darth Bike, Darth Schwinn or Darth Prelude. How do those sound? Which do you prefer? Any other name ideas?
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Here's the baggage I'm carrying: This is one of my three black bicycles. The Raleigh DL-1 I call The Old Gentleman. The Schwinn Cutter single speed is The Black Dog. I like Black Lightning in principle, but I was kind of hoping to keep the word "black" out of the name of this one. "Darth" has a dark/black connotation, but I'm not sure which name best complements it best. Darth Bike is kind of a minimalist, stark name. Darth Schwinn kind of similar, but with the Schwinn name it sounds a little more self-deprecating, slightly humorous. Darth Prelude has the same number of syllables as Darth Vader, so maybe that carries the name better, but I don't know.




I'm over thinking this, right?
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Black Lightning was a Cannondale model. Scratch that thought
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How about Qualude ? But those made you slow, or so I heard.
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how about - the Darth Vader-lude
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See, now that's the kind of brain-storming I was hoping for!
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