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Old 03-11-10, 09:23 PM
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Vintage Torpado: what are they worth?

How much would an old Torpado like this be worth?

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that is a beautiful old bike. what are the components on it?
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That looks like one of the gussied up bike boom gaspipe offerings...probably Campy Valentino comps. I wouldn't pay more than $50 if I really, really wanted it, which I don't.

Found a thread for you: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...9-unknown-year
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Found a thread for you: [url
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?458310-Torpado-%28italy%29-unknown-year[/url]
Thanks for the thread!
The guy who is selling this bike is actually asking for 200 big ones....
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Thanks for the thread!
The guy who is selling this bike is actually asking for 200 big ones....
Hell no!
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Read that thread as it will give you the best information you'll get on it. And by the way - trying to put this softly - but it's not the best etiquette to revive an old thread with a general question, especially when the thread has already answered your question to some degree.

I think you can find something much better for $200. This bike may be okay for short trips around town, but I wouldn't want to ride it for any significant distance or for extended periods of time. Yes, it could be done, but there are far better options.
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thanks for the tip! I'm new at this....

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Read that thread as it will give you the best information you'll get on it. And by the way - trying to put this softly - but it's not the best etiquette to revive an old thread with a general question, especially when the thread has already answered your question to some degree.

I think you can find something much better for $200. This bike may be okay for short trips around town, but I wouldn't want to ride it for any significant distance or for extended periods of time. Yes, it could be done, but there are far better options.
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Maybe I'm just feeling grumpy but this irks me sometimes...when someone asks what a bike is worth, they mean a fair market price. YOU might only pay $50 for it. YOU might not want it at all. Or you might be willing to pay a king's ransom. But fair market value is what you would expect the bike to go for on eBay or Craig's List in a major market not what you might offer old widow Johnson down the street who's cleaning out the garage and wants to get rid of that old bike her son left there 35 years ago. Hell she'd probably sell you a '61 Masi for $50 but that doesn't mean it's worth that. That Torpado should easily command $200-$300 on eBay, more with the right buyer.
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Nah, I'd might pay widow Johnson $5, but certainly not $50. I do see your point (expressed in the other thread), but I've seen 70's boom Italian bikes like this languish in the NY Metro area market for similar asking prices. However, I'll defer to your expertise in the market on this one.

In defense of my response, I'll point out that my powers of divination figured gabriel.picard was seeking a bike to ride, not a piece of nostalgia with steel rims. Lo and behold, he expressed this very sentiment in the other thread after I made my comments.

So, yes, you obviously have more data to support the fact that FMV may be higher than $50. The practical value, which I opined gabriel.picard sought, is about $50.

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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike View Post
Nah, I'd might pay widow Johnson $5, but certainly not $50. I do see your point (expressed in the other thread), but I've seen 70's boom Italian bikes like this languish in the NY Metro area market for similar asking prices. However, I'll defer to your expertise in the market on this one.

In defense of my response, I'll point out that my powers of divination figured gabriel.picard was seeking a bike to ride, not a piece of nostalgia with steel rims. Lo and behold, he expressed this very sentiment in the other thread after I made my comments.

So, yes, you obviously have more data to support the fact that FMV may be higher than $50. The practical value, which I opined gabriel.picard sought, is about $50.
Yeah, I was just feeling grumpy.
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Originally Posted by Kommisar89 View Post
Yeah, I was just feeling grumpy.
Ha, you make a good point though. This sub-forum can be problematic, because obviously value is subjective. However, I do think you're right that we should be aiming to offer FMV estimates, as they are about as objective as we'll get. I was offering the OP some unsolicited advice on what I perceive to be the Torpado's practical value. It could be argued that $200 is a good practical value for some, but I think in general, for most beginners, there are better options.
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Why so grumpy Kommisar89? How could ANYONE be grumpy and find it hard to read over and Over and OVER all of the gas pipe bike slams.
<shhhh....I mean really guys...don't tell anybody but we should thank the poor people of the world for the gift of providing us "product" to flip as almost every one of the regulars here on BF does on a continual basis to buy the really "GOOD STUFF". I won't tell if you don't tell...and we will try to sucker more people to sell us $5-$50.00 bikes hehe!>

I am sure it was embarrasing to the hundreds of millions of people on all of the various continents of the world who had "almost the best", third from the top, or "middle of the line" bikes, and not to mention those who bought the lower level bikes <forgive them??? NEVER!!>.

The fact that they were not the best ~ but that there were to only be used for meanial things like transportation, sport, or really stupid stuff like enjoyment...shesshhh what is wrong with people and what a waste of raw materials!!!

Forget the fact that technology changed, steel types/alloys changed, design methods changed, needs changed, types of bicycling/sports changed, or that time itself continued
and things became outdated. <Does that mean what was THE ABSOLUTE BEST became NOT THE BEST so now it is crummy? Too bad all you upper bike/component lines - your stuff is crap cuz it is old and not the best now...it is outdated so no need for C & V. Too bad so sad.> And should these bikes have been made by more than one company after all ONLY ONE BIKE and its components can be the best to have?

So really only ONE type of bike should have been made...so it would be the BEST BIKE and we could all collect them and we would have the right stuff?? That would make an
interesting world and we could all be assured to have the BEST BIKE EVER MADE. Or would that make us all have the bottom of the line? I get confused. Oh...and forget those people who could not afford it. They would not be worthy of owning THE BEST BIKE.

Oh ~ the Torpado...I'd give up to $400 for it if I wanted it...take a look at it, it looks like a damn nice example of the Torpado brand. I would buy it and not care who thought it was a gas pipe bike...or how stupid I was.

I own a few gas pipe bikes...and I am worthy...and all of the elitist out there...you cannot have them. Sorry for you! hehe

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There are plenty of 'gaspipe' bikes with cottered cranks I'd be interested in, but not likely from the early 70s bike boom era.
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There are plenty of 'gaspipe' bikes with cottered cranks I'd be interested in, but not likely from the early 70s bike boom era.
Agreed... bommers with cottered cranks and steel wheels were most often entry level low end bikes and Torpados come in a full range that goes from really cheap to really nice and this bike is definitely entry level.

Campagnolo Valentino was named after one of Tulio's sons... it is sad the component group is crap.

Here's a bike with steel wheels and cottered cranks that is worth a little more... $200.00 would not buy you the rear deraileur.

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Agreed... bommers with cottered cranks and steel wheels were most often entry level low end bikes and Torpados come in a full range that goes from really cheap to really nice and this bike is definitely entry level.

Campagnolo Valentino was named after one of Tulio's sons... it is sad the component group is crap.

Here's a bike with steel wheels and cottered cranks that is worth a little more... $200.00 would not buy you the rear deraileur.

Sixty Fiver, I love your Peugeot and totally wish I had one like it (seriously I've considered having my UO-8 painted to look like that) but I'll have to respectfully disagree, at least in part - while there were some truely dreadful boom period bicycles, not every "gas pipe" eurobike of the period was complete crap. Your bike and its components are worth quite a bit due primarily to their age and rarity, not because of any significant functional difference with the boom period bikes. I'm pretty sure Helium tubing falls under the general catagory of "gaspipe". The Torpado pictured above is a decent bicycle. It deserves a wheelset of Campagnolo Nuovo Tipo large flange hubs and Fiamme clincher rims and maybe some alloy chainrings, though I would leave the cottered crank. It is little different from my 1974 Bottecchia Special that I rode for 22 years until it was damaged in a traffic accident. I rode Valentino for years and found it acceptable.
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Kommisar - I don't think we are disagreeing...remember that I have an affection for bike boom Peugeots like the UO8 and their variants and rode a my UG10 into the ground but the '57 is a completely different bike.

The frameset on the PLX8 was rather light for it's day and has an excellent ride quality... I know an older guy here who said he had one and fitted it out with the lightest bits of the day and had a 24 pound bike and even as is, she's lighter than my 531 framed 1955 Raleigh Lenton (considered a lightweight in it's day) by a fair margin and is a much zippier and more responsive riding bike.

The parts on the bike are quite rare... the JUY 543 deraileur and Mafac levers (full open back) are grail items for some collectors and the JUY 543 shifts that 4 speed Simplex block extremely well and one would almost think it was indexed.

The Torpado frame is like many boom bikes in that it is probably rather decent but the cost of the bike was kept down by using some pretty low level parts which added a lot of weight... take a UO8 and replace the cottered crank and steel wheels and a few other bits and you have a really decent bicycle that curbs out at around 26 pounds and rides nicer than most of the bikes from that era.

A lot of boomers had decent frames that just suffered because cheaper parts were used to keep costs down... too many people look down on anything that does not have a butted frame set but many of these straight gauge carbon steel frames were well made and have excellent ride quality.

I am going to take Edith for a ride tomorrow... spring has arrived and she has been cooped up all winter and needs a little air.
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I know that this is often suggested and explained away by camera angles but the condition of that Torpado might have something to do with a front fork that does not look quite right to me.
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Originally Posted by Kommisar89 View Post
Maybe I'm just feeling grumpy ...... That Torpado should easily command $200-$300 on eBay, more with the right buyer.
Der Kommisar,

It may be the grumps, after all. I disagree with $200-$300.

It's a Torpado, and that sounds Italian, ends in "O," but so does Yugo.

It's pretty, and it's red, so maybe raise the $50 to $75 or $80.

$200-$300 requires a significant ignorance factor, and a gullible or very overpriced market.

Maybe just a different venue....put it in Schwicago, and it wouldn't bring $100, but a comparable Schwinn would bring $150.

Put it in Seattle, yeah, I can see $200-$300 after a good day in the medical marijuana clinic.....

Then again, you said eBay, and for that pool of miscreants, the sky's the limit, anything goes, and cliches can come true.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post

that is a beautiful old bike. what are the components on it?
Looks like Campy Valentino derailleurs and Universal centerpull brakes. The chromed socks front and rear suggests something better than gaspipe tubing; maybe Falck?

It would probably make a nice FG/SS conversion for someone.
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It would probably make a nice FG/SS conversion for someone.
Why not throw some grease on the fire?
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Why not throw some grease on the fire?
The components are nothing spectacular, but it should be a decent frame for that purpose at least.
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I hate to drag this thread back to life but I wanted to contribute my 2 centavos. I own an entry-level Torpado Amateur apparently from the bike-boom era and a while ago I owned another, early 80s Torpado that came with top of the line Campagnolo. The Amateur has a Valentino FD and a gorgeous Velox RD. Both derailleurs shift just fine though the cage on the Valentino is pretty beat up with chain rub, due to lack of adjustment by the previous owner. I have never had any problems with the Valentino gruppo. In fact I have found hardly any difference, in terms of functionality, between the Valentino FD and the Gran Sport FD. Yes, there were later advances in derailleur design, particularly the RD's, but I have Valentino FDs in my two most highly prized vintage bikes, a 1958 RIC and a 1960 Cinelli Speciale Corsa. BTW, both are riders, not wall hangers.
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How much is an old Torpado worth..?

The white/red one sold for $350.00...



The all chrome sold for $500.00+(can't remember the exact amount)...



This one for over $700.00...



And this one for over $1200.00...



So, any attempt to price an old Torpado, or Raleigh, or WhatEver, depends on many things - location, condition of bike, size of bike, time of year, seller's marketing skills, seller's patience and more, I am sure.
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