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Old 04-24-10, 01:14 PM
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Valuation of Old Peugeot Fixed

I've inherited an old Peugeot fixed gear and I don't have much use for it, so I'm trying to decide if I should sell it. Problem is -- I have no clue how much it's worth. If you could help me out, I'd appreciate it. Some pictures below. Campy Record cranks; Phil Wood hubs; the paint is a little dirty, but the frame is physically in good shape. That's all I know. Thanks!







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Old 04-24-10, 01:20 PM
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I'll give you $50 if you pay the shipping.

For a real answer post it in the appraisal thread at the top of the page? It's a sweet bike.
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Old 04-24-10, 01:22 PM
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Sell it to me!
seriously though, i will make you an offer.
early 70s Reynolds 531 frame with track drops. $400-$300 for the frameset on ebay.
parting it out may net you more money but i would assume about $750 (ebay) for the whole bike.
Its a very wiggly market for old custom order track frames. A collector will value it less than a hipster these days.
As a collector i would pay $500 for the whole bike because while rarer than an early 70s PX-10, its just not as nice for the same price.
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Look at the rear track ends. They don't look like they were cut professionally. Does the paint look original, or can you see a line where the rear clearly looks repainted to match?

Still, nice components.
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Old 04-24-10, 03:13 PM
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Thats one very rare Peugeot. Peugeot track bikes aren't pictured in any catalog I've ever seen. (at least that I can remember) It looks very right though, proper fork crown, proper fork leg curvature, no brake bridge hole, no RD cable stop and no shift lever stop under the DT.

No lcue on price but the hubs are worth some serious coin and the cranks worth serious coin is its stamped 'pista' on the backside.
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Old 04-24-10, 03:49 PM
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Wow.
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Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs View Post

Look at the rear track ends. They don't look like they were cut professionally. Does the paint look original, or can you see a line where the rear clearly looks repainted to match?

Still, nice components.
I'm not sure what you mean by the frame ends "don't look like they were cut professionally." Can you elaborate on that? To me they look like standard track ends brazed into the frame in a manner similar to that on other high-end road Peugeots -- nothing fancy, but simple and competent.

Nice components, but a Stronglight track crank might be more correct.
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I'd call them sloppy - especially that curve inside the rear triangle. Chainstay also looks as if it's warped on the side, right at the end of the slot. Left side doesn't even look as if it matches the right.

Jim, do you know the model number for these?

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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
brazed into the frame in a manner similar to that on other high-end road Peugeots -- nothing fancy, but simple and competent.
Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I'd call them sloppy - especially that curve inside the rear triangle. Chainstay also looks as if it's warped on the side, right at the end of the slot. Left side doesn't even look as if it matches the right.

Jim, do you know the model number for these?

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Kurt, I think JohnDThompson sums it it up nicely.

I have never seen a Peugeot track bike or fixed dropout frame in any modern Peugeot literature and as you know I have a rather extensive collection of literature. Peugeot track bikes do exist but they are very few and far between. I'd almost venture a guess and say they were never available to public but then again that doesnt seem like something Peugeot would do.

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Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
Kurt, I think JohnDThompson sums it it up nicely.
Yep, that means it's crap!

Sorry, had to rub it in to the Peugeot folk.

Wait...I own a Pug, don't I?

Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
I have never seen a Peugeot track bike or fixed dropout frame in any modern Peugeot literature and as you know I have a rather extensive collection of literature. Peugeot track bikes do exist but they are very few and far between. I'd almost venture a guess and say they were never available to public but then again that doesnt seem like something Peugeot would do.
Interesting. Any indication whether they were special runs, or from the team factory?

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post

Interesting. Any indication whether they were special runs, or from the team factory?

-Kurt
No idea but I'm going to inquire.....
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I went back out to the bike to see if I could find any more identifying info. On the rear dropouts there's a stamp that says "Brev Campagnolo," and a four digit number -- 1107. Perhaps this sheds some light...

Also, in response to MiamiJim, the cranks are indeed stamped "Pista."
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I'd call them sloppy - especially that curve inside the rear triangle. Chainstay also looks as if it's warped on the side, right at the end of the slot. Left side doesn't even look as if it matches the right.
The curve you mention is pretty much how many track ends come "out of the box:"


Peugeot made great riding bikes but they were not renowned for putting a great deal of effort into prettying things up before applying paint -- even on their high-end models.

I noticed the apparent "warp" on the chainstay as well, but it's difficult to tell if if is merely a photographic artifact or optical illusion. It does coincide with a background shadow, which may (in conjunction with lossy digital compression) create the appearance of a warp where none actually exists. More pictures from different angles would help clarify this and the poorly visualized ride side dropout.

More pictures of the fork would also be nice to determine if track type forks ends were used (it looks like it from what I can tell) and if round track blades were used. If the steer tube is French threaded it would further bolster the notion that this is a legitimate Peugeot built track frame rather than a conversion of a road frame.

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Here are some more pictures of the chainstay/dropout area, as well as the fork. I very much appreciate all of the insight.











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I do still see the "warp" on the chainstay, so perhaps it is real, although there may be no functional significance to it:


The fork blades do look like round, track blades:


And the fork ends appear to be track fork ends as well, based on the long insertion and wide tabs. A side view of this would be better:


Are the fork ends also "Campagnolo?" And is the steer tube French thread?
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It makes sense to me that it was a custom order from the team factory.
If you could order an Orange PX-10, why not a track frame?
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I have no headset wrenches and don't want to go after the headset with crescent wrenches. I take it there's no way to discern french thread without removing the locknut and some spacers and then measuring the thread spacing?
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I have no headset wrenches and don't want to go after the headset with crescent wrenches. I take it there's no way to discern french thread without removing the locknut and some spacers and then measuring the thread spacing?
There is... if you measure the stem diameter and is 22mm instead of 22.2mm, you got French treading (but need a decent caliper to do that). Easier: measure the DT (or ST) diameter. If French, it should be 28 instead of 28.6 (and even crappy calipers will get the difference).
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Easier: measure the DT (or ST) diameter. If French, it should be 28 instead of 28.6 (and even crappy calipers will get the difference).
Ahh, but that wouldn't eliminate the possibility that the fork is a later replacement.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
Ahh, but that wouldn't eliminate the possibility that the fork is a later replacement.
You got a point there, but the shape of the 531 stickers on the fork is close to the condition of the 531 sticker on the ST, so I would suspect that it likely is original.
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I wouldnt let the fork steerer size of BB threading come into play to much. Keep in mind that this is a track bike and not your typical Peugeot build and by this I mean the rear dropouts. They're Campy. Peugeot simply didnt use Campy dropout on their road bikes but this bikes is an exception.....its a track bike that would have been built with track specific parts. Does that exclude a 22.0 mm steerer? No. But it certianly opens up the possibility of Peugeot using a 22.2 mm steerer.
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Is it just me, or did Peugeot file the bottom extremities of the track drops into points? Looks like Richard Sachs isn't the first to do it.

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