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What's a Raleigh Sports with a working 3spd SA hub worth?

Old 05-28-10, 12:53 PM
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What's a Raleigh Sports with a working 3spd SA hub worth?

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Apparently $1000: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...758081576.html

It depends. Are you buying or selling?
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They're all over the map. I've sold a few for about $150. I could get more, but it would feel wrong to me. And of course, I tune them up into perfect working order. I'm not that good a bike cosmetician, but I do my best.
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Depends greatly on year.

If it was early edition with pump mounts, value is definitely added if it still has the pump.

If it still has original saddle, added value. If original saddle was leather Brooks B72 (not vinyl mattress), value added.

If it has working dynohubs with lamps, value added.

If it has the dreaded Sturmey Archer S3C hub, value decreases.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
They're all over the map. I've sold a few for about $150. I could get more, but it would feel wrong to me. And of course, I tune them up into perfect working order. I'm not that good a bike cosmetician, but I do my best.
In my city it would be easy to see a good condition 70's Sports with mattress saddle go for $150.

If it was older, say 60's, with a B72, value easily increases to at least $200-$250.
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Sheesh. Mine had a new B66 on it; got it for $50.
Lately they're running $75-200, with the 23" men's frames on the high end.
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Originally Posted by gna View Post
Sheesh. Mine had a new B66 on it; got it for $50.
If that's true, the new saddle was probably worth more than the bike - in which case you got a great deal on a saddle...which just happened to come with a great bike.

Are we defining "value" as (a) actual value or (b) how much you could understandably a buyer to be willing to pay? I'm going more with how much you could collect in my market, which is obviously different than other markets.
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Dibs on the handle bars,cranks and brake calipers...

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Originally Posted by michael k View Post
Dibs on the handle bars,cranks and brake calipers...

Well, seriously, I have no interest in working on this so someone local gets the whole thing or parts fly out...
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Well, seriously, I have no interest in working on this so someone local gets the whole thing or parts fly out...
Man you win the prize for the ugliest Brooks saddle ever. Looks like a Canadian made Sports...quite the reflector wot?
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My 1978 Superbe was in mint condition and had been completely serviced, had two fork keys, working dynahub, and new tyres... had no issue getting $275.00 Cdn for it and it did not even have it's Brooks saddle as the buyer wanted to fit his own.

Lesser Sports models in this market sell easily for 160.00 if they are in really nice shape and condition and age dictates the selling price for other models.

Your bike could fetch $80.00 - $100.00 here and this is almost what these cost new... the biggest selling point for these is that companies are selling modern versions for 400.00 and up and many of these are not as well made and don't have the innate charm of a vintage Raleigh.

In selling one can also compare these to what you would get for $150.00 at x-mart...

I do know a fellow that got a pair of Superbe models for $20.00 in fabulous shape complete with beautiful Brooks saddles... it was quite the garage sale find.
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That's a late '70s or so model. Did you buy it? I'm looking for a 21" frame Lady's sports for one of my wife's friends. It looks like a 19", but I might still be able to find it a home.
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That's a late '70s or so model. Did you buy it? I'm looking for a 21" frame Lady's sports for one of my wife's friends. It looks like a 19", but I might still be able to find it a home.
I did in fact....and for what I paid plus a lunch at Mac's Fish and Chips it's yours, PM me.

Better yet, maybe you have some trade bait? PM me with where you live in St. Paul...I was about to head home from work, maybe I could stop by.
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I had a bike exactly like that, to the smallest detail. Late 70's, early 80's (mine was a '79).

One hand brake because you'll find the rear hub is an S3C Coaster Brake, which was given an unsafe rating by Consumer Reports because it was prone to epic failure, and which Sheldon himself said is not worth overhauling.

I did a hub overhaul, and it still failed. So I parted it out and got rid of the hub.

Part it out.
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I had a bike exactly like that, to the smallest detail. Late 70's, early 80's (mine was a '79).

One hand brake because you'll find the rear hub is an S3C Coaster Brake, which was given an unsafe rating by Consumer Reports because it was prone to epic failure, and which Sheldon himself said is not worth overhauling.

I did a hub overhaul, and it still failed. So I parted it out and got rid of the hub.

Part it out.
Ok, I'll bite...what would an epic failure be? Lock up? Disintegrate?
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I had a boss who said the TCW was good but the S3C was bad. Or it might have been the other way around. Sheldon, in that article, panned both. I don't know what to think.

I forgot to say, the men's bikes are worth a lot more than the ladies' in this country, because women don't ride as much. The men's are rarer, in good condition. It's easy to get a ladies' three speed. Men's, not so much.
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Ok, I'll bite...what would an epic failure be? Lock up? Disintegrate?
First off - when you're riding it more than a mile from home, any failure is epic failure.

First it would sometimes slip when I was trying to use the coaster brake to stop. Then I had it lock up several times to where it wouldn't spin. I took it apart, rode fine, then it would spin freely without catching gear (neither time was not a problem with the indicator cable). Tried to fix it again, rode fine, then it just locked up indefinitely. That's about when I took Sheldon's advice and gave it up to the bike gods.

Maybe mine was more dysfunctional than yours will turn out to be, but I knew I wouldn't feel right trying to sell it with such a problematic hub. I see Sports with S3C's listed on Craigs and eBay and they still get purchased, but I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable listing one...I don't want to sell anything I can't guarantee with some degree of certainty. Again, my hub might have been more a dud than yours - but S3C's are generally not worth your time.
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I did in fact....and for what I paid plus a lunch at Mac's Fish and Chips it's yours, PM me.

Better yet, maybe you have some trade bait? PM me with where you live in St. Paul...I was about to head home from work, maybe I could stop by.
Hey, thanks. PM sent. Sadly, unless you like English 3-speeds I have no trade bait.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
I had a boss who said the TCW was good but the S3C was bad. Or it might have been the other way around. Sheldon, in that article, panned both. I don't know what to think.

I forgot to say, the men's bikes are worth a lot more than the ladies' in this country, because women don't ride as much. The men's are rarer, in good condition. It's easy to get a ladies' three speed. Men's, not so much.
I used to believe that--and I certainly agree that the mens' are much rarer--but I think fashion (at least in my neck of the woods) has rendered that obsolete. Men want fixies, road bikes, and MTBs. Women (and I'm mostly speaking of female college students here) want something with a 'classic' look and aren't as concerned with weight or aerodynamics. I've had several Raleighs up on CL recently (as well as Schwinns, Columbias etc of similar design/era) and the womens' bikes went much faster, for equal prices to the mens'. Similar phenomena have been observed with lower end Peugeots etc--the mixtes sell much faster than the mens'...and last year I sold a ladies Varsity with upright bars and very nice paint for $200. But Madison is crazy.
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Good points, Wisco. I flip bikes, and the ladies' and mixte frames sell like crazy here. So perhaps they are worth more. But I don't want to ride a ladies' frame, and when I look for my own stable, I want a men's bike. Men's three speeds in good condition are hard to find, even if I can't resell one for a lot of money.

I just sold a mixte ten speed with alloy rims for $225. I didn't think I was overcharging, even though I would have only asked for $180 if it had been a men's frame. Mixtes fly in and out of my humble basement. Same with ladies' English three speeds.
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That's a late '70s or so model. Did you buy it? I'm looking for a 21" frame Lady's sports for one of my wife's friends. It looks like a 19", but I might still be able to find it a home.
Let's hope so because it now sits in gna's backyard! I dropped it of for him today while he and his wife were out on a ride. Sorry we couldn't cross paths.

So, gna, I went over to Mac's to cash in my bounty and forgot....they're closed on Mondays!!! Dayum...I was looking forward to the chippy. Oh well, sometime this week

For those of you NOT in tune with the fried fish scene in Minneapolis/St. Paul (duh, why not?! ), here's the establishment:



You can see the charm here right?

And here's what I believe to be a legitimate photo of the culinary target:



Yum!! You have no idea how good this is with a light sprinkling of malt vinegar.
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I had a beautiful condition 1954 Raleigh Sports with working dynohub and lamps...not the original saddle and no pump. I felt that it was worth at least $200 and I simply could NOT get that much for it...in the end I took $150 and felt very annoyed about the whole thing. I think the problem selling these is that there are so many of them...and they were built so well that many of them survived. Everyone's parents has one of these in the garage.
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I think Keith needs an English bike to ride to the chippy:
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