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Old 06-19-10, 05:48 PM
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OK one for the Bianchi experts!

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I walked away from this one today for a number of reasons but am wondering did I make a mistake.

It is a lugged steel frame, No tubing decals, no serial number, and no model name. Fork is semi sloping (nice). It has a clamp on front derailleur AND the brake cable goes through the top tube. None of the parts are original to the frame as least from what I could tell (built with shimanon sora/rsx 8 speed) except MAYBE the crankset but it is a 175mm which doesn't seem the right size for the frame. Crankset has S on it and looks mid-80's to me. Seat post is SR but needed a very very slim spacer to fit (which came out when I was checking the seat tube for rust and yes there was rust.). Seat post was so scratched up I could not see the size.

This frame is 49-50. I don't think the top tube is sloping. The derailleur guides under the bottom bracket are a plastic bolt on. I measured the seat tube angle and it was around 76-77 with a top tube of 52cm or so.

I am not sure if the decals are under the clear coat or not as there were quite raised. If they are under the clear coat it is a very thin clear coat.

Any ideas? I went to look at it thinking it might be a mid 90's model as quite a few of them came with the hidden rear brake cable but the fork blew my theory. And the fork does look original.

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Old 06-20-10, 10:57 AM
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Depending on the price (if less that $250 in your market) you did a sizable mistake Internal cable routing = late 80s early 90s. And at worse, it would have had a Tange superset frame. The crank looks like a Sugino Mighty with some home-made drillium on the chainring.
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If he was asking 250 I'd jumped onit. More like twice that. I am guessing 91 or 92 as I have catalogs from 87 through 95 but missing those years.
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Not worth it for $500 IMHO.
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I think someone PMd me about this Bike last week. I don't think it is a even a Bianchi frame. if it is the same bike it had a headbadge that looked like the 'art deco chicken' from '90/'91 but the Decals look mid '90s and that TT internal cable routing and horizontal dropouts don't match up.

and yes $500 does sound like alot for it.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I think someone PMd me about this Bike last week. I don't think it is a even a Bianchi frame. if it is the same bike it had a headbadge that looked like the 'art deco chicken' from '90/'91 but the Decals look mid '90s and that TT internal cable routing and horizontal dropouts don't match up.

and yes $500 does sound like alot for it.
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That is what threw me as well. The horizontal dropout with the hidden brake cable. I have not found a model with that but I am missing the early 90's catalogs. I thought it might have been a transitional model. If it is a forgery it is a pretty good one.

Guess I will continue to pass until I can find out what it is.
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At the $500 mark, the bike better have really good provenance, markings, etc. $500 for a Frankenbike is over the top.
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That is what threw me as well. The horizontal dropout with the hidden brake cable. I have not found a model with that but I am missing the early 90's catalogs. I thought it might have been a transitional model. If it is a forgery it is a pretty good one.

Guess I will continue to pass until I can find out what it is.
I am not sure about a "transitional" model. I can see running the say Campione line with the 2009 frames to make 2010 bikes if you are only changing the color. but changing something like internal cable routing 'on the line' seems odd.

I also don't see anyone risking damaging their Columbus frame to have internal routing installed aftermarket and why go to the expense of doing it to a japanese made frame?

OH Jim did you notice if there was a B on the DT lugg or anything on the staycaps?
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I am not sure about a "transitional" model. I can see running the say Campione line with the 2009 frames to make 2010 bikes if you are only changing the color. but changing something like internal cable routing 'on the line' seems odd.

I also don't see anyone risking damaging their Columbus frame to have internal routing installed aftermarket and why go to the expense of doing it to a japanese made frame?

OH Jim did you notice if there was a B on the DT lugg or anything on the staycaps?

What I meant by transitional is maybe in 91 or 92 they produced a model with a horizontal dropouts and internal cable routing. In my 93 catalog they show a SBX model that has interna cable routing and a horizontal drop out. Now, The description says "veritical dropout" but sometimes they picture the previous years model in error {. Now that one also has chrome stays so it doesn't match either.

Unfortunately I don't remember if there was B stamped anywhere. I don't think so. There were no engravings on the bottom bracket at all.

do you have a 91 or 92 catalog?

If it is not a bianchi what could it be? What other steel frame was made with internal top tube routing but horizontal dropouts and no bottom bracket or lug stampings?
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