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Old 07-07-10, 02:46 AM
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Masi turned Confente

I have an interesting bike. Originally a Masi purchased in the early 1970's in Las Vegas Nevada, built by Mario Confente in Italy, by a friend of my fathers. The bike was later taken to Confente in Carlsbad, where braze ons were added in addition to Confente's decals. The bike contains the complete super record group, including bottom bracket and pedals. It has been sitting in a kestrel box filled with foam to protect it for over 15 years. I can post pictures in the near future and include additional information as I get it from my father. Any help will be greatly appreciated as to the rarity and value of the bike. Thanks

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You'll need certain very strategic pictures to authenticate it as both a Masi and a Confente built Masi. Do you have any records as to the work actualy being done by Confente or is it a story that was past down?
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You'll need certain very strategic pictures to authenticate it as both a Masi and a Confente built Masi. Do you have any records as to the work actualy being done by Confente or is it a story that was past down?
I agree; documented provenance proving the bike was actually built by Mario Confente would be necessary to realize full value if you decide to sell it. Otherwise, it's just a nice story.
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Italian built Masi, with Confente decals and braze ons.

Without any corroboration that Mario actual did any work (and I am not saying he didn't)
the modification will drop the value of the bike to serious Masi collectors. Italian Masi's
are probably about $2k to $3k based on condition (with full SR gruppo etc.)
again without corroboration and having modifications I'd say anywhere from $1k to $2k.
With corroboration that Mario both built the bike in his Verona shop, and did the
modifications and applied the Confente Decals you are probably looking at $4k upwards
to $6k.
Marty (who is just getting into the whole Masi collecting thing).

p.s. expect to hear a lot of skepticism unless you have documentation. Every
Italian built Masi with a V stamping is purported to have been built by Mario.
Don't take it personally it's just the nature of the game.
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+10 No documentation = never happened (even though it probably did)
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Some documentation would be needed. Here is the scene:

Mario only would have had a short window in which to apply Confente transfers (I should say have them applied, he did not do paint), possible, but at Carlsbad he was working for Masi. I know when this could have happened, but the window is small, very small.

Mario was willing to modify a bike, unlike some builders.

Medici would and did apply Confente transfers here and there to Carlsbad Masi bikes. You will have to overcome that.
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For the Ultimate Masi turned Confente, you have to search the wooljersey site, it was there last time I looked.
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Hopefully later today I can pull the frame out and start taking some pictures. I have a plaque that contains a bit of the history of the bike and I'll post photos of that as well. What key areas should I be looking for to photograph that would help prove that this truly is an Italian Masi? As far as proving that Confente's modification I am aware that may be more difficult if not impossible. I guess we'll have to see what I can do with my camera later this afternoon
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there's a section here that can help determine origin of your Masi (Italian vs. California).

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Hopefully later today I can pull the frame out and start taking some pictures. I have a plaque that contains a bit of the history of the bike and I'll post photos of that as well. What key areas should I be looking for to photograph that would help prove that this truly is an Italian Masi? As far as proving that Confente's modification I am aware that may be more difficult if not impossible. I guess we'll have to see what I can do with my camera later this afternoon
The bottom of the bottom bracket for one, showing the socket windows.
Chain stay bridge.
Inside the seat tube looking forward, not def. but could help.
Fork crown showing inside reinforcements.
Top tube cable guides if any.
possible there might be some work done to the rear dropouts
Vanity photo the owner with Mario would be very compelling.

That is six shots to start.
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and a signed work order by Mario would be a good thing too!
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Photos

Got it out of the box this morning and put it in the stand to get some photos. If there are any more that would help let me know and I can take some. Thanks. I have about twenty photos in the album featured in the link below.

https://s1007.photobucket.com/albums/...t=DSC02373.jpg
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Originally Posted by parrdhouse View Post
Got it out of the box this morning and put it in the stand to get some photos. If there are any more that would help let me know and I can take some. Thanks. I have about twenty photos in the album featured in the link below.

https://s1007.photobucket.com/albums/...t=DSC02373.jpg
Has the attributes that I would want to see so far, the transfer placement is curious, but not unprecedented, at least for the head tube, the chain stay is new to me.
One thing I would want to see would be milled rear dropouts.
The frame number is late, the forks are Columbus, there is a Columbus transfer.
The serial number is what throws me a bit. It is later than I would expect, but not by a lot.

If I had the money, I would want it seriously, but not right now. And its almost my exact size... bummer.

The .5 size annotation makes be think that the top tube length is probably not typical either.
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I can get additional pictures in a few hours. I also recently found out that the original purchaser, a man by the name of Gary bullerwell originally purchased th bike, and owned as many as 10 confentes throughout the years. I'm going to attempt to contact him in hopes of more information.
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I can get additional pictures in a few hours. I also recently found out that the original purchaser, a man by the name of Gary bullerwell originally purchased th bike, and owned as many as 10 confentes throughout the years. I'm going to attempt to contact him in hopes of more information.
What is curious after checking is the serial number, 0322 would be from the second or third quarter of 1976, Mario was long gone by that time. Much of the other stuff matches what I would expect, one could quibble with some of the BB shell. Intriguing.
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I like what I can see of the details (vent holes, cable guides, etc.), though I'm not up to repechage's level. Just to be clear, that Masi was originally built in Carlsbad, CA, and not Italy.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
What is curious after checking is the serial number, 0322 would be from the second or third quarter of 1976, Mario was long gone by that time. Much of the other stuff matches what I would expect, one could quibble with some of the BB shell. Intriguing.
I don't know. If 0296 is '75 according to Bob's site, isn't it possible that 0322 is very early '76? I think it's plausible Mario was still in Carlsbad for the first couple dozen frames of '76.
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I don't know. If 0296 is '75 according to Bob's site, isn't it possible that 0322 is very early '76? I think it's plausible Mario was still in Carlsbad for the first couple dozen frames of '76.
Maybe, pinning down Mario's departure from Masi is a challenge. my best guess to date was at or just after Christmas 1975.

There might be a way to find out. Don't expect to have anything too soon.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Maybe, pinning down Mario's departure from Masi is a challenge. my best guess to date was at or just after Christmas 1975.

There might be a way to find out. Don't expect to have anything too soon.
I wonder how solid the dates are in the registry, too.
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I added some additional photos of the bike before braze ons, decals, and paint were altered by confente. I am also aware that several parts (headset and shift levers) are not super record, but I have all of the super record parts for the bike to make it a complete group.

https://s1007.photobucket.com/albums/af193/Parrdhouse91/
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This has me now a bit perplexed after viewing these latest, earlier images.

Even if the frame was delivered prior to Mario's departure or let's say he left and it was picked up after... The Modifications would come later, after Mario was working in Los Angeles. Okay, owner wants the latest braze ons, and decides he did not like the silver. Top tube cable guides added, and maybe the BB cable guides revised. The cable guide hole detail sometimes is there, sometimes not. The curious respray & transfers don't help the cause. Simonetti at Medici would do this kind of stuff too. There was a nickel plated Gran Criterium that sold on ebay a long while ago now that was modified in a similar way with the Mario Confente signature transfer, the mods by Simonetti.

What does this all mean? Still a great bike, would have been worth more with original paint, but so it goes. A work order from Custom Bicycles by Confente to modify and repaint would change all that.

Thanks for sharing,
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Confente is spelled wrong on that plaque.
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Confente is spelled wrong on that plaque.
OUCH. Kind of reminds me of my "Nolex" watch.

Should be able to get a "new" plaque made pretty cheap by a local artist......

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I noticed the misspelling of Confente. The picture in the plaque was taken before the bike was repainted and altered. The error ocurred even before my father acquired the bike, as the plaque came with it. At any rate, I guess my only option now is to try and find an original work order from the owner, which very well may exist. My father bought the bike from an enthusiast, who, at the time of purchasing, owned as many as 10 Confentes. Is there no other way to prove this bike was repainted and modified by Confente?
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