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Lotus Eclair Frame, Flandria, or Schwinn 564?

Old 07-20-10, 09:03 AM
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Lotus Eclair Frame, Flandria, or Schwinn 564?

Hey guys! Ive been creeping on this site for quite some time lol...and Ive finally mustered the courage to join and introduce myself! My name is Ismail but everyone calls me Ish, and I have been riding a bike ever since I could remember. Recently I have gotten into an obsession with road bikes. Anyways I actually have a question about a few bikes/ frames. Here goes

First Option is a Flandria for 100 dollars that some guy is trying to sell me. Says everything works and is rideable. Made in France?(although thanks to my creeping I found that these bikes were only made in portugal and belgium?) and Simplex components.

Second Option is a Lotus Eclair Frame for 20 bucks. Pretty clean and it comes with the bottem bracket.

Third Option is a Schwinn 564 I quote the owner on this "Nice Vintage Schwinn road bike, 1989 model 564 not ridden in a few years, rims true and bike needs a washing and air and your ready to go." asking 200 dollars...

Whats your opinion guys? Buy a built bike or go for building my own. (I am a broke college student )
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Old 07-20-10, 09:14 AM
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I would buy that Lotus frame if the paint is good, and resell it. It is a touring bike, and touring bikes sell at a premium. If the paint is decent, you should be able to get at least $100 for that frame, maybe a little more. I have an Eclair myself (I actually have three Lotus bikes right now). But in order to make sure you get a good frame, you need to be able to inspect it for damage. Do you have that knowledge and skill? If not, buying a frame can be a can of worms.

As a broke college student, I would not recommend building a bike, unless you already have the tools/time/aptitude/interest and a pile of parts to complete it. Building your own is never the cheapest route, unless you have all of these items. Even then, it is not the cheapest option, if you consider you could turn the pile of parts into cash instead. Complete bikes are the way to go.

Without pictures, I would say the Schwinn 564. But if it is dirty and the tires need air, I am going to assume it has been neglected and needs some maintenance, so I am probably going to pass, or offer something more like $100. I bought a similar Schwinn (a 434) that was in a similar condition, I paid $80 for it. Why would anyone trying to sell something not even take the time to wash it and put air in the tires? WTF. I would expect a sizable discount. $200, no way. $200 is just about full market for that bike, in pristine, ready to ride condition. A seller who can't/won't even air up tires is pretty sketchy to me. And the 564 uses a pretty unique quill seat post. I would make sure that seat post is in good shape and fits properly. You are not going to be able to find a replacement. Quill seat posts are like gold right now.

I would keep looking. The Flandria does not sound like anything special either.

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Old 07-20-10, 09:22 AM
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Thanks for the quick reply. Do you really think it would be possible to sell the frame for a 100? I mean they say the paint is pretty good but where would I found a buyer? And as far as my knowledge of frames goes...I'm going to need a lot of teaching. hahahahaha.

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Old 07-20-10, 10:12 AM
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I'd avoid the 564, unless you can cut the sale price in half. Those bikes took an expanding wedge seatpost. Hard to find, expensive if you need to replace. They are no longer made.

I'd likely avoid the Flandria as well. The Flandrias I've seen are nothing special.

That leaves the Lotus.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Do you really think it would be possible to sell the frame for a 100? I mean they say the paint is pretty good but where would I found a buyer? And as far as my knowledge of frames goes...I'm going to need a lot of teaching. hahahahaha.
Depends if it has the fork. I do not see a fork in that picture. As far as what you can sell it for, that depends on your marketing skill. Rather than teaching, focus on learning.

By the way, you have three bikes pictured, and three different sizes. You need to figure out what size you need, and focus on finding a bike your size.

Now that I see a picture of that 564, I would pass at that price. Unless you are in some red hot market, that seller will not move that bike at that price.

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Old 07-20-10, 10:49 AM
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Depends if it has the fork. I do not see a fork in that picture. As far as what you can sell it for, that depends on your marketing skill. Rather than teaching, focus on learning.

By the way, you have three bikes pictured, and three different sizes. You need to figure out what size you need, and focus on finding a bike your size.

Now that I see a picture of that 564, I would pass at that price. Unless you are in some red hot market, that seller will not move that bike at that price.
Gotchya. As far as buying the frame what would you say are the key things to look for? And I have been testing bikes and it really depends but Im about 5 10-5 11, and most of the bikes that have fit me have been 54cm, 55cm, and 56cm bikes.

Its crazy all the road bikes that are in my area (central new jersey) move so fast. Like literally on Craigslist they stay for no more than 24 hours.
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The late eighties/early nineties Schwinn Aluminums (974, 754, 684, 594, 564, 434, 354) had a reputation for being very stiff and harsh riding. The ride could be softened somewhat with the right choice in tires, but longer rides can still be uncomfortable.

And then there's the unobtainable seatpost issue Bill and Poguemahone mentioned..

I'd go for the Lotus.
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The late eighties/early nineties Schwinn Aluminums (974, 754, 684, 594, 564, 434, 354) had a reputation for being very stiff and harsh riding. The ride could be softened somewhat with the right choice in tires, but longer rides can still be uncomfortable.

And then there's the unobtainable seatpost issue Bill and Poguemahone mentioned..

I'd go for the Lotus.


How much do you think it would cost to build the Lotus frame into a solid bike. Nothing special but a good first road bike.
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How much do you think it would cost to build the Lotus frame into a solid bike. Nothing special but a good first road bike.
It really depends on how good you are at scrounging. You'll basically need everything, including a compatible fork. The most painless route is to find an inexpensive donor bike with decent wheels and components.
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all three of those bikes look like different sizes. while you might be able to flip that Lotus frame for $100 I think you should concentrate on finding yourself a nice road bike. do you have a price in mind?

also if we knew about where you live you could possibly meet a Local C&Vr to help you.
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How much do you think it would cost to build the Lotus frame into a solid bike. Nothing special but a good first road bike.


And additional comment:
Its crazy all the road bikes that are in my area (central new jersey) move so fast. Like literally on Craigslist they stay for no more than 24 hours.
More than it will be worth. You really need to have a source of the parts already in hand, otherwise, forget it. And what about tools?

On the second comment, that is not unusual for most areas. The best deals often go fast, like 30 minutes to a couple of hours. Not unique to NJ. If you are trying to scoop a nice bike at a low price, you really need to consider multiple channels. Last week, I got one bike off ebay, two at thrift stores, and three off Craigs List. The bikes on C/L were all quick scoops: they were on there for less than one hour, and I immediately got in the car and drove.

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I believe they range between 54 to 56 as I said before. I live in Princeton NJ if anyone could meet up with me, and I'm looking to spend about 100 to 150. If anyone in the area could help me out that would be awesome!

I do have a large amount of tools and my father used to work at a bike shop when he was young so the whole skills and tools subject isn't a problem. Its mostly the parts and cash that's holding me back. Unless I can flip it or keep or a while and wait because 20 bucks isn't that much money especially for a frame like that.
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Well, it's definitely good you have all of the tools. Unfortunately, the parts will cost you quite a bit. You could easily spend $200 to $300 on parts to finish up that frame. The key to building a bike on a budget is finding a "donor" bike. While I enjoy building up bikes, the frameset is usually the last piece of the puzzle. I start the process by finding a good donor bike, then I look for a deal on a frame to build it. In my experience, its tougher finding a touring bike donor, as touring bikes hold their value really well, and there aren't that many of them out there.

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Thank you for the info guys I decided that Im going to flip the lotus to create capital for a nice bike, and if I cant sell it will become a sick road bike in a few months! Ill make sure to update you guys!
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Thank you for the info guys I decided that Im going to flip the lotus to create capital for a nice bike, and if I cant sell it will become a sick road bike in a few months! Ill make sure to update you guys!

I saw a 564 on the local craigslist here for $25, it's not in the best condition but it does have the seat post. Should I buy it and sell the post?
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