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Old 07-24-10, 12:02 AM
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I no longer see the Value this bike link up on the site so I guess I will post this here. A guy nearby has this bike for sale. I wanted to see if you thought the value was on at $500. Sounds a bit steep to me but I don't know this brnd well. the paint looks a little rough in areas and the drive train in Shimano 600 but it looks unique. anyone got any info on ***gin. The name has a bit of a stigma, eh? In any case, does any have any info they can pass o or idea if $500 is in line with the going price?

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Old 07-24-10, 12:32 AM
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If it's SL or SLX, works well and is your size I'd say it's only about $50 overpriced, if any, for Portland, OR. Dunno how things are in your part of Cal.

If it's TreTubi, It's about $150-200 overpriced, IMO.
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Old 07-24-10, 01:02 AM
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Its a big bike, so if it fits you I would say its worth the money. Often tough to find a quailty bike that fits well.
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Old 07-24-10, 06:00 AM
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Over priced by $150 as it sits and to be honest ?350 is the street price, there's no 'flip' potential in it.

$350 max. Lets be very realistic here, it has old Shimano 600 and its in fair condition and it says ***gin on the tubes. I dont care how good or great anyone says it may be, it still says ***gin on the tubes. Maybe in the U.K. it means its a 'smokin' hot bike but this aint the U.K.
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Old 07-24-10, 06:10 AM
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Big size. Knock some more off the price. 250-300$ maximum, given condition, frame size, and components.

500$ is certainly too much.
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Old 07-24-10, 11:41 AM
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Here is more info:

THIS VINTAGE HANDMADE "***GIN" HIGH QUALITY ITALIAN ROAD BIKE IS READY TO RIDE. IT HAS MANY NEW VINTAGE PARTS.
THE FRAME IS CIRCA 1970. IT IS IN GOOD CONDITION EXCEPTING PAINT CHIPS, BUT AT LEAST 95% OF THE LOGOS ARE INTACT. CHROME FORKS, CHROME CHAIN AND CHROME SEAT STAYS ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON THE FRAME. THERE ARE NO DENTS, RUST, CRACKS OR SEPARATIONS.
IT HAS LESS THAN TWENTY MILES ON VINTAGE RIMS, BRAKES AND SEAT. TIRES AND SPOKES ARE NEW. VERY FEW MILES ON VINTAGE CRANK, CHAIN AND CASSETTE.
VINTAGE CAMPY FRONT RIM, HUBS, CASSETTE, HEADSET, AND STEM.
NEW HUTCHENSON FUSION 2 TEAM TIRES 700 X 23C.
REAR RIM MAVIC OPENPRO
***GIN (CAMPY) CRANKSET
SHIMANO 600 ENGRAVED BRAKES, SHIFTERS, DERAILLEURS.
CINEELI HANDLE BARS.
FIZIK SADDLE.
62CM FRAME
34" STAND OVER
22.75" STEM TO SEAT
20LBS.
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Old 07-24-10, 11:52 AM
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looks to me like an asking price of $500 is more than reasonable considering normal bartering results. It would be nice if the original Campagnolo derailleurs were on it. Are there any other panto'd components other than the crank? Looks like it was a really nice bike, and in addition I'd be tempted to buy one of these as a rolling maturity test.
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Old 07-24-10, 12:31 PM
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It seems newer than circa 1970 to me. It's got too many braze-ons and bosses to be from the early 70s.

It is kind of a bummer that a lot of parts that were likely Campy originally have been swapped out. It's really not that bad, though. When I scored my Pinarello, all it had left was Headset, hubs and shifters. I didn't even get pretty cranks. Still the best $400 I ever spent and I knew that the moment I took her for a spin around the block. That had to be in 2000 or so when I bought it.

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Old 07-24-10, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
It seems newer than circa 1970 to me. It's got too many braze-ons and bosses to be from the early 70s.
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More likely 80's.
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I wouldn't do $500 and I'm in NYC, where prices are inflated. Honestly, I have to agree with Miami Jim - when I've seen these go on Ebay there often seems to be an unspoken discount for the name's poor carry-over into, err...American English parlance.

That said, the fact that the seller thinks it's a 1970's frame makes me think that there's a 50/50 chance they'd be negotiable, since they don't entirely know what it is they have here.
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More likely 80's.
80's the shop I worked for at the time sold a few.

NOW, the image just shows enough cracked paint (not on the side, but above) right behind the lower head lug for me to want to see more. This bike might only be worth the ensemble.
The frame is not scarce, valuable enough to be repaired if it needs it.
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It seems newer than circa 1970 to me. It's got too many braze-ons and bosses to be from the early 70s.

It is kind of a bummer that a lot of parts that were likely Campy originally have been swapped out. It's really not that bad, though. When I scored my Pinarello, all it had left was Headset, hubs and shifters. I didn't even get pretty cranks. Still the best $400 I ever spent and I knew that the moment I took her for a spin around the block. That had to be in 2000 or so when I bought it.
It's possible the 600 is original equipment. The lesser 80s ***gins had this as OEM. Frame is maybe Columbus Aelle, dropouts Gipemme. If it's better, frame is SP/SL with campy drops. I'd ask

I almost bought a really nice pink one on the bay a few years back. Seriously. I could barely resist, and was outbid at about 150$, IIRC. Prices have gone up since then (this bike is my size).

I agree, it's a eighties frame, post 1985, I think. It may be a mid range ***gin (Fay-jean). It may be better. More investigation needed.
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it seems strange that it would come with a panto'ed Campagnolo crank and 600 components. Unless they picked up the crank later.
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