How much is it worth: Cilo
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How much is it worth: Cilo
Just bought her, did I get a good deal?
The bike has full 600-6207 components, *3 small scratches, most decals are intact, and the bike shifts well with no adjustments
The tubing sticker has been almost entirely take off but looks like Columbus
If you know the model & tubing info that would be great. Serial number #88486
Components:
Shifters: Shimano 600 SIS downtube
Brake levers: Shimano 600
Derailleurs: Shimano 600 SIS rear and friction front 6x2
Crankset: Shimano 600
Bottom Bracket: Shimano 600
Chain: Shimano 600
Brakeset: Shimano 600
Pedals: Shimano 600 with Lapize leather straps
Saddle: Turbo (great condition)
Headset: Shimano 600
Stem/Bars: 3ttt
Wheelset: Mavic MA40 with Shimano 600 Hubs







The bike has full 600-6207 components, *3 small scratches, most decals are intact, and the bike shifts well with no adjustments
The tubing sticker has been almost entirely take off but looks like Columbus
If you know the model & tubing info that would be great. Serial number #88486
Components:
Shifters: Shimano 600 SIS downtube
Brake levers: Shimano 600
Derailleurs: Shimano 600 SIS rear and friction front 6x2
Crankset: Shimano 600
Bottom Bracket: Shimano 600
Chain: Shimano 600
Brakeset: Shimano 600
Pedals: Shimano 600 with Lapize leather straps
Saddle: Turbo (great condition)
Headset: Shimano 600
Stem/Bars: 3ttt
Wheelset: Mavic MA40 with Shimano 600 Hubs








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nice looking bike, what timecapsule did it come from? any other nice bikes in there? it looks like it saw little use, judging by the condition of the rims, lack of dirt and gunk on the chainwheels and RD pulleys. it has a great classic look to it too.
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Components are 1986-1987 Shimano New 600EX. Typically, the frame build for that era and level of components would be Columbus Matrix or Columbus Tretubi SL but I believe in this case it may actually be Columbus Aelle. In 1986 there was a Cilo Aelle model equipped with Shimano New 600EX that sold for $529 US. Your bicycle is virtually identical, except that it has the indexed shifting system, so yours may be the 1987 version. Looking at the serial number it tempting to say that it may be a 1988 model, but unless Cilo had a surplus of New 600EX that would seem unlikely, as Shimano introduced 600 Ultegra for 1988.
A couple of good, close-up pics of the remnants of the tubing decal may allow me to identify the actual tubneset. Alternately, you can pull the seat post and check its diameter. A Tretubi SL or Matrix frame would typically use 27.2mm while Aelle usually employs a 26.8mm post.
A couple of good, close-up pics of the remnants of the tubing decal may allow me to identify the actual tubneset. Alternately, you can pull the seat post and check its diameter. A Tretubi SL or Matrix frame would typically use 27.2mm while Aelle usually employs a 26.8mm post.
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Components are 1986-1987 Shimano New 600EX. Typically, the frame build for that era and level of components would be Columbus Matrix or Columbus Tretubi SL but I believe in this case it may actually be Columbus Aelle. In 1986 there was a Cilo Aelle model equipped with Shimano New 600EX that sold for $529 US. Your bicycle is virtually identical, except that it has the indexed shifting system, so yours may be the 1987 version. Looking at the serial number it tempting to say that it may be a 1988 model, but unless Cilo had a surplus of New 600EX that would seem unlikely, as Shimano introduced 600 Ultegra for 1988.
A couple of good, close-up pics of the remnants of the tubing decal may allow me to identify the actual tubneset. Alternately, you can pull the seat post and check its diameter. A Tretubi SL or Matrix frame would typically use 27.2mm while Aelle usually employs a 26.8mm post.
A couple of good, close-up pics of the remnants of the tubing decal may allow me to identify the actual tubneset. Alternately, you can pull the seat post and check its diameter. A Tretubi SL or Matrix frame would typically use 27.2mm while Aelle usually employs a 26.8mm post.
If I had one today, I wouldn't sell it for less than $385. Chicago is a strong market and I wouldn't have a problem selling it for that price during Spring or Summer. And, yes, I believe that Aelle takes a 26.8 post.
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Haha, the lady I purchased it from said she only rode it 3 times then it sat in her garage for 10 years, and I believe her. Most of the wear is where the frame pump was taken on and off.
I checked the seatpost and it is 26.2.. and here's a close up of the sticker:

I checked the seatpost and it is 26.2.. and here's a close up of the sticker:


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You can't tell much from that decal, except that it's the wrong color for Matrix. However, I see what appears to be an A, C and M. It could indicate Acciaio Carbonio Manganese, which was the Aelle steel alloy.
Regarding the post size, I neglected to take into consideration that being Swiss, Cilo may still have been using metric tubing at this point. Metric tubing is 0.6 mm smaller in diameter than imperial tubing, so metric Aelle would use a 26.2mm post versus the 26.8mm post for imperial tubing. The OP should try to determine the outside diameter of the seat tube to verify this possibility. An imperial seat tube would be 28.6mm diameter while metric would be 28mm. If the OP does not have calipers he can cut a thin strip of paper and wrap it around the tube, marking where it overlaps. Then remove the paper, measure the distance from the end to the mark and divide the measurement by 3.14 to determine the diameter.
Regarding the post size, I neglected to take into consideration that being Swiss, Cilo may still have been using metric tubing at this point. Metric tubing is 0.6 mm smaller in diameter than imperial tubing, so metric Aelle would use a 26.2mm post versus the 26.8mm post for imperial tubing. The OP should try to determine the outside diameter of the seat tube to verify this possibility. An imperial seat tube would be 28.6mm diameter while metric would be 28mm. If the OP does not have calipers he can cut a thin strip of paper and wrap it around the tube, marking where it overlaps. Then remove the paper, measure the distance from the end to the mark and divide the measurement by 3.14 to determine the diameter.
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I measured 82cm/3.14= 26.11 ~ 26.2 so Aelle tubing?
It looks similar to the Aelle tubing decal on the top left of the image. ACM = Acciaio Carbonio Manganese like T-Mar said.
also, the A-C-M seen in the last post is not one continuous sticker, when I looked closely they look like they were layered as they were moved to the side
It looks similar to the Aelle tubing decal on the top left of the image. ACM = Acciaio Carbonio Manganese like T-Mar said.
also, the A-C-M seen in the last post is not one continuous sticker, when I looked closely they look like they were layered as they were moved to the side
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You need to meaure the outside diameter of the frame's seat tube, not the seat post. As I stated previously, if the seat tube diameter is 28mm, then the seat post size is correct for an Aelle tubeset.
However, the exercise just goes to show how accurate the paper strip method can be. Within 0.09mm (0.0035") is not much worse than you would get with a caliper.
However, the exercise just goes to show how accurate the paper strip method can be. Within 0.09mm (0.0035") is not much worse than you would get with a caliper.
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That's a beauty. FYI, when I ordered the first Cilo for a bike shop where I worked in the mid-'80s, I pronounced the name "Chee-low." The sales rep corrected me. It's "See-low."
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Thanks Trakhak! it's def. a keeper
My mistake on the measurement, I did not read the post closely enough, I measured the seattube and got about 89mm/3.14 = 28.34!
My mistake on the measurement, I did not read the post closely enough, I measured the seattube and got about 89mm/3.14 = 28.34!
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Ha! That's right in the middle, between a metric (28mm) and imperial (28.6mm) seat tube. However, phosphating and paint will add 0.1-0.15mm, so it's probably metric and the tubeset is likely Aelle.
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The bikes looks identical to an Aelle, Shimano 600, CILO that I picked up a few months ago. I have since restored it. I can't wait till spring to take it out!
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Wow, you're looks sexy, where'd you get the decals from?
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I had it powdercoated locally, and the decals came from EBAY (link to same set). The seller also had the tubing decals and world championship bands.
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Damn, the decals are pretty expensive, already a third of my bike cost haha. Also, only one of the fork decals on my cilo have a tear so I'm not sure if its worth it to buy the whole set. I may have to buy the championship bands and tubing ones though. Thanks for the link.
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Your got a good deal. Value will vary but 3 tube Columbus tubing bikes with Shimano 600 bikes genraly brinf $225+. Your is is in good condition and could be in great condition with a thorough cleaning and detail. i wouldnt be surprised if it sold for $400 on ebay in the spring.
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Sweet, maybe i'll hold onto it until then. I don't know how to clean bikes very well but I guess I have a few months to learn how.
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