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May i ask your thoughts on this Sun (Birmingham) 1958 Manxman please ?

Old 01-20-11, 03:54 AM
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May i ask your thoughts on this Sun (Birmingham) 1958 Manxman please ?

https://belfast.gumtree.com/belfast/30/72168330.html

Might I ask for thoughts with regards to the asking price please ? I'm considering taking a look at this one to add to my collection.

Naturally the asking price should come with a degree of flexibility and a 531 frame and of course vintage campy parts will attract some value but am I out of line to suggest that 100-120 is more reasonable for this example given that it has been repainted and without its original finish.

I simply dont want to insult the seller, who seems very genuine and passionate with a low offer so if I am wrong naturally I would offer higher.

Any thoughts gratefully recieved, thank you in advance.

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While not an expert in this type of bike, I would say that it is overpriced. The RD or mech as they say on the other side of the pond is probably not original to the bike and appears to be the only Campy component, so I don't see that as being a real plus. The front mech and shifters are said to be Simplex, probably pretty pedestrian stuff at that. The other thing is the frame. While 531 is certainly nice, it indicates that it was repainted. It doesn't say how, unless I missed that. Does that mean rattle-can paint? Dupont or BASF automotive paint applied by a professional? Powdercoat? I'd want more information.

Finally, in regards to the sellers feelings, I wouldn't give that too much credence. Ebay and other sites are public entities and the seller knows going in (or should) that folks are going to want a deal and to purchase the product for as little money as possible. Nothing personal about that.
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Is it worth 175 pounds. Probably. Is 100-120 a fair offer? Definitely. The repaint and mishmash of parts will keep it from being a high end bike. But, it's very cool. Best of luck!
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Tugadude, thank you kindly for your response. I absolutely agree with you on all points raised and indeed you qualified my concerns. There is nothing particularly glorious about the components and indeed the lack of original components and repainted finish takes it out of the "collectors sphere" and towards having a decently functioning vintage bike with a nice , but standard enough frame. Nothing to justify the higher price I would have thought. Indeed , whilst it is hard to determine from the finish in the photograph I would say it is a rattle can finish but I'll keep an open mind on that of course and ask the appropriate questions. I appreciate you taking the time to respond, it's been very useful.

Bibliobob, also thank you very much for your kind response. And again you have qualified my concerns very succinctly. I take your point that it's not vastly over priced and that there is not much between the listed price and my perception of it's value (hopefully I'm not second guessing you incorrectly there)

I'll have a look at it of course, it's too nice not to at least glance upon , and it is very local to me so it's no trouble at all. If it's spray can painted I have to say I would be less inclined to bite, even at 100 pounds because I would most likely send it to be professionally repainted and the economics of that are not so appealing.

I thank you both sincerly for your input. I have found it most valuable.
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