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Raleigh Record 12 speed? And Diamondback Podium?

Old 02-17-11, 05:00 PM
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Raleigh Record 12 speed? And Diamondback Podium?

I'm new to bikes and don't know much yet. Here is my situation: I'd like to find something cheap, but something that will last a while too. I'm planning on using the bike mostly in a hilly city and need to go over about 200 yards of gravel. I also plan on using the bike with a trainer in the future.

So here are the bikes that I'd like to know if they are worth my goals:

Raleigh Record - $75
http://charlottesville.craigslist.or...211216978.html

Diamondback Podium - $300
This one has been on CL for a while and has gone down from $500 to $450 to $400, then 350, and now 300 in the past month or so, but hasn't been changed since then. I'm hoping to get it for around 200 if people think it's worth it.
http://charlottesville.craigslist.or...190100450.html

Thanks in advance!
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Old 02-17-11, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
Diamondback Podium - $300
This one has been on CL for a while and has gone down from $500 to $450 to $400, then 350, and now 300 in the past month or so, but hasn't been changed since then. I'm hoping to get it for around 200 if people think it's worth it.
http://charlottesville.craigslist.or...190100450.html
That looks like a 1996 Diamondback Podium 2.0... I'd get right on that IMHO.

I don't know about that aluminum frame, but even lower end Campy stuff at least sells for a decent amount. It's probably not a bad deal at $300.
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Thanks for the reply. The Diamondback is listed as a road race and triathlon, but I only need a commuter bike and something to casually (<5 miles/day) on a bike trainer. Is this worth the price? It's also an hour away from me. Maybe I'm just trying to talk myself out of something that's $225 more than my next option, but if it's really a good deal, I'll offer the seller something.
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Old 02-17-11, 07:43 PM
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I can't really make anything out from those photos, but it sounds like the Record has been upgraded into the 80s. It'd probably serve very well as a utility bike.

The Podium is more of a recreation bike.
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Would the Record be worth 75 with the upgrades? I've heard that it is a bottom tier bike. Also saw this on CL, seller said it was a size "tall", so I'm thinking maybe 58 cm? Any info would be great!

http://frederick.craigslist.org/bik/2219912051.html
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For the type of riding you describe, I go with the Raleigh. Take off those aerobars, tune it up and you have a durable commuting machine that no one will want to steal all for under $100.
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Old 02-19-11, 07:46 AM
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+1. given your intentions, the Record is probably the bicycle for you. The Podium would be overkill, especially with those wheels but at $300 it's steal. The original retail price was $1600 US. It's outfitted with Campagnolo Mirage components and Campagnolo Zonda wheels (a NOS pair sold on Ebay for $500). It doesn't show well in the pictures but it's got Ergopower integrated brake and shift levers. I'd be all over this, even if it was just to part it out. I think you could easily double your investment, provided everything was in good shape.
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I'm going to check out the Raleigh today or tomorrow and will probably pick it up. But if the Podium is as good as you guys make it sound, maybe I'll take that too. I'll ask for more detailed pictures before I take the drive. T-Mar, are you saying the wheels on the Podium are worth $500 alone? Like I said, I'm new so I don't really know what's valuable and what's not.
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If you can afford it, buy them both and sell the ugly wheels on eBay. That would just about pay for both bikes.
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
...T-Mar, are you saying the wheels on the Podium are worth $500 alone? Like I said, I'm new so I don't really know what's valuable and what's not.
Not quite, A pair of New, Old Stock (i.e. NOS) sold on Ebay for $500. These are used, so they'll be worth less. Ebay's also a bit of a crap shoot. Final price is highly dependent on the condition and bidders you attract but I wouldn't be surprised for a pair in good condition to bring $250-$300 and they should easily bring $200.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm requesting additional pics for the Podium and I think I'll check it out too. I live in a big market (Wash. D.C. but go to school in Charlottesville), so maybe if I put the wheels on craigslist I will get a bite.
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I picked up the bike and it's in pretty beat up condition. There is rust on the frame and everything is dirty, but I figured the parts were worth more than what I paid for it. There are no pedals and I need stuff for cleaning, so I figure the total cost should run about $100. Here are some pics. Was this worth the price?

Shimano components, but I'm no expert so I don't know if they're worth anything. what can I get for the aero bars?





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Old 02-19-11, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
Was this worth the price?
No. That bike is a long way from what most people around here would be comfortable selling for anything more than peanuts as a project bike.

The paint condition just doesn't bode well for the mechanical condition, but hopefully I'm wrong.
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I figured as much. The Syntace aerobar goes for $150 new on Amazon, so maybe I can get $50 out of it, and it's in pretty good condition. I haven't found much info on pricing. That'll offset some of the cost of the bike.

This is my first road bike so I can't compare how it feels to anything. The parts are in much better condition than the frame, but there is still some surface rust on it. Doesn't affect performance, so I don't mind. I'll try it out for a couple of months, maybe keep some parts and throw away the rest. You live and you learn, I guess...still waiting on the Podium pics.
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I would think only the aerolink bridge is fiber - the aero bars themselves are alloy and sell new for ~ $160.
You should be able to get $50 for them easily on eBay.

The frame is pretty much worthless in that condition.
If nothing is hopelessly rusted/stuck, I would have it media blasted ($40) then spray prime it and paint it with brush-on enamel, with contrasting panels. (Powder coat would run another $75 so I wouldn't go there).

After cleaning and reassembling everything and installing all new cables/ hsg/ shoes/ tires/ rim strips/ chain/ bar tape/hoods/ FW/ etc, you'll have a $150 bike, with about as much invested -(assuming you do the work).

- If you part it out, you'll have a small profit and a junk frame.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
The frame is pretty much worthless in that condition.
If nothing is hopelessly rusted/stuck, I would have it media blasted ($40)
Is this media blasting referring to the frame or to the parts?
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
Is this media blasting referring to the frame or to the parts?
Frame.
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
Is this media blasting referring to the frame or to the parts?
NVM, I think it's for the frame. Not trying to sound like an ass (and this is a serious question), but why would I want to pay $40 to do anything to a worthless frame?

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For the type of riding you describe, I go with the Raleigh. Take off those aerobars, tune it up and you have a durable commuting machine that no one will want to steal all for under $100.
I plan on selling the aerobars, ride the bike for the next couple of months, and then part out or sell whole for cheap. In the meantime, I think it's good to have a real cheapie to learn the basics with (cleaning, maintenance, how not to get ripped off anymore, etc.). With this bike, there are no worries of it getting stolen
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
...(and this is a serious question), but why would I want to pay $40 to do anything to a worthless frame?
-So that it wouldn't be worthless anymore.
With the extra effort, it could be quite a nice bike.
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I really appreciate all the feedback. I found this frame and fork on craigslist, but couldn't find any other info on either of them:

http://charlottesville.craigslist.or...218375027.html

I figured if I could negotiate down a bit, it would be equal in pricing to doing everything for the Raleigh frame. What exactly is an asymmetric frame?
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+1. The rust has to be dealt with for it to be a worthwhile frame to build off of. As it is, it's worthless except for the components. If you want to try sanding or chemical removal, then you can minimize your investment. I've only sanded one frame, my youngest daughter's Huffy, but I was surprised at how easy it came off. I used a sanding sponge for a lot of it. I suppose you could also just clear it after sanding. I've seen some examples and done right they can look decent.
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
I figured if I could negotiate down a bit, it would be equal in pricing to doing everything for the Raleigh frame.
I'm assuming the Raleigh came with 27" wheels. That KHS probably takes 700c wheels.

I doubt it has clearance for an additional 4mm radius plus the likely 1 1/8" or 1 1/4" tires.
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You're right. The Raleigh has 27" x 1 1/4". I'm guessing 27" tires are for older bikes and 700c are for newer? In that case, the KHS is probably newer?
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Originally Posted by highhung723 View Post
You're right. The Raleigh has 27" x 1 1/4". I'm guessing 27" tires are for older bikes and 700c are for newer? In that case, the KHS is probably newer?
^ Affirmative.

(The exception is for wheels that take tubular (sew-up and glued-on) tires, which have been nominally-sized to 700 forever. Most bikes take clincher tires though (with a separate inner tube).
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If my wheels won't fit a more modern frame meant for 700c wheels, then should I be searching for frames from the 80s and 70s? Also, does it matter what speed (10, 12, fixed) the frame is if the Raleigh is a 12-speed?
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