Waterford 1200 help
#1
Newbie
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Waterford 1200 help
I'm selling a Waterford frameset and could really use some help with pricing. I know they started at $1100 when new, but hey that's a long time ago. Below is the description and some photos. Please let me know your thoughts on pricing it.
1997 56 cm Waterford 1200 road racing bike frameset and forks with lugged construction, hand-made Reynolds 753 steel tubing, Henry James custom drop outs. Includes Shimano Dura-Ace headset. Frame measures 56 cm ST/56 cm TT. Yellow and black frame in great condition, except for two minor top tube dents (see photo). Waterford number D97076.
I can also include a 27.4 Thompson seatpost that is in mint condition since they can be a bit tough to find in that size.
I really appreciate the advice.
1997 56 cm Waterford 1200 road racing bike frameset and forks with lugged construction, hand-made Reynolds 753 steel tubing, Henry James custom drop outs. Includes Shimano Dura-Ace headset. Frame measures 56 cm ST/56 cm TT. Yellow and black frame in great condition, except for two minor top tube dents (see photo). Waterford number D97076.
I can also include a 27.4 Thompson seatpost that is in mint condition since they can be a bit tough to find in that size.
I really appreciate the advice.
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lancaster County, PA
Posts: 5,045
Bikes: '39 Hobbs, '58 Marastoni, '73 Italian custom, '75 Wizard, '76 Wilier, '78 Tom Kellogg, '79 Colnago Super, '79 Sachs, '81 Masi Prestige, '82 Cuevas, '83 Picchio Special, '84 Murray-Serotta, '85 Trek 170, '89 Bianchi, '90 Bill Holland, '94 Grandis
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times
in
10 Posts
I have a 1200 complete bike (Dura Ace 9-speed) in 9/10 condition with forest green metallic paint and red lug lining that I'm trying to get $800 for, if that helps. Only one nibble thus far.
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern Maine
Posts: 8,941
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12191 Post(s)
Liked 1,495 Times
in
1,107 Posts
My bike shop has a 56 Waterford road bike from around that time.
Complete bike, asking 700 now, it's been for sale for about a year.
I think it's a steal, but it's a size big for me.
I can't imagine passing over that for an entry level alu, but there it is.
Complete bike, asking 700 now, it's been for sale for about a year.
I think it's a steal, but it's a size big for me.
I can't imagine passing over that for an entry level alu, but there it is.
#4
Newbie
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Thanks for the fast feedback. I really appreciate it. Waterfords are definitely targeted to a particular audience who appreciates a steel racing frame and it can take a while to find the right buyer I guess. At $700-800 for a complete bike how much do you think the 1200 frame would be worth?
A bike can easily have $700-800 worth of other components depending upon quality. So perhaps half that for the frame alone?
The mint Thompson seat post and saddle are probably worth $75 by themselves.
Any thoughts are much appreciated.
A bike can easily have $700-800 worth of other components depending upon quality. So perhaps half that for the frame alone?
The mint Thompson seat post and saddle are probably worth $75 by themselves.
Any thoughts are much appreciated.
#5
Resident skeptic
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here during the week...home on the weekends
Posts: 332
Bikes: BD Bottecchia with SRAM Force, Pedal Force ZX3 with SRAM Force/Red, 1994 Cannondale Track Bike with original Suntour Superbe Pro, TT rig on the way
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Thanks for the fast feedback. I really appreciate it. Waterfords are definitely targeted to a particular audience who appreciates a steel racing frame and it can take a while to find the right buyer I guess. At $700-800 for a complete bike how much do you think the 1200 frame would be worth?
A bike can easily have $700-800 worth of other components depending upon quality. So perhaps half that for the frame alone?
The mint Thompson seat post and saddle are probably worth $75 by themselves.
Any thoughts are much appreciated.
A bike can easily have $700-800 worth of other components depending upon quality. So perhaps half that for the frame alone?
The mint Thompson seat post and saddle are probably worth $75 by themselves.
Any thoughts are much appreciated.
It was in mint condition. Rode it, raced it, enjoyed it a lot for 4 years. I stupidly sold it in 2002 for $500. Mine had an American Classic seatpost though. But, to this day, it is the BEST riding bike I've owned in the 23 years I've been riding.
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Beautiful Long Beach California
Posts: 3,589
Bikes: Eddy Merckx San Remo 76, Eddy Merckx San Remo 76 - Black Silver and Red, Eddy Merckx Sallanches 64 (2); Eddy Merckx MXL;
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 143 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
I'm selling a Waterford frameset and could really use some help with pricing. I know they started at $1100 when new, but hey that's a long time ago. Below is the description and some photos. Please let me know your thoughts on pricing it.
1997 56 cm Waterford 1200 road racing bike frameset and forks with lugged construction, hand-made Reynolds 753 steel tubing, Henry James custom drop outs. Includes Shimano Dura-Ace headset. Frame measures 56 cm ST/56 cm TT. Yellow and black frame in great condition, except for two minor top tube dents (see photo). Waterford number D97076.
I can also include a 27.4 Thompson seatpost that is in mint condition since they can be a bit tough to find in that size.
I really appreciate the advice.
1997 56 cm Waterford 1200 road racing bike frameset and forks with lugged construction, hand-made Reynolds 753 steel tubing, Henry James custom drop outs. Includes Shimano Dura-Ace headset. Frame measures 56 cm ST/56 cm TT. Yellow and black frame in great condition, except for two minor top tube dents (see photo). Waterford number D97076.
I can also include a 27.4 Thompson seatpost that is in mint condition since they can be a bit tough to find in that size.
I really appreciate the advice.
#7
Newbie
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
@rc32 and longbeachgary Thanks much for jumping in on this thread. You both make very good points. I can't say how the dents got there for sure since they were there when I bought the bike used. They don't impact the ride in the least, but they do indeed have a cosmetic impact. Any suggestions on pricing?
I've been searching far and wide across the internet and similar framesets alone seem to range from $300-800 with $500 (including seat post) to be about midrange. That might be a high price with full bikes going for $700 but a lot depends on components. Not sure if you (rc32) sold the frame or the full bike for $500. Value is in the eye of the beholder, but "fair market value" ought to be some middle ground. Your thoughts?
I've been searching far and wide across the internet and similar framesets alone seem to range from $300-800 with $500 (including seat post) to be about midrange. That might be a high price with full bikes going for $700 but a lot depends on components. Not sure if you (rc32) sold the frame or the full bike for $500. Value is in the eye of the beholder, but "fair market value" ought to be some middle ground. Your thoughts?
#8
Resident skeptic
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here during the week...home on the weekends
Posts: 332
Bikes: BD Bottecchia with SRAM Force, Pedal Force ZX3 with SRAM Force/Red, 1994 Cannondale Track Bike with original Suntour Superbe Pro, TT rig on the way
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
@rc32 and longbeachgary Thanks much for jumping in on this thread. You both make very good points. I can't say how the dents got there for sure since they were there when I bought the bike used. They don't impact the ride in the least, but they do indeed have a cosmetic impact. Any suggestions on pricing?
I've been searching far and wide across the internet and similar framesets alone seem to range from $300-800 with $500 (including seat post) to be about midrange. That might be a high price with full bikes going for $700 but a lot depends on components. Not sure if you (rc32) sold the frame or the full bike for $500. Value is in the eye of the beholder, but "fair market value" ought to be some middle ground. Your thoughts?
I've been searching far and wide across the internet and similar framesets alone seem to range from $300-800 with $500 (including seat post) to be about midrange. That might be a high price with full bikes going for $700 but a lot depends on components. Not sure if you (rc32) sold the frame or the full bike for $500. Value is in the eye of the beholder, but "fair market value" ought to be some middle ground. Your thoughts?
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lancaster County, PA
Posts: 5,045
Bikes: '39 Hobbs, '58 Marastoni, '73 Italian custom, '75 Wizard, '76 Wilier, '78 Tom Kellogg, '79 Colnago Super, '79 Sachs, '81 Masi Prestige, '82 Cuevas, '83 Picchio Special, '84 Murray-Serotta, '85 Trek 170, '89 Bianchi, '90 Bill Holland, '94 Grandis
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times
in
10 Posts
I still have my 1200 in 9/10 condition with 9-speed DA listed on CL for $800 with only one caller so far - I'm kind of surprised.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Simba261
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
4
11-26-17 05:46 AM
RoadGuy
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
11
06-11-15 08:39 AM
cehowardGS
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
3
10-11-10 04:58 PM