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Italian f. Magni bicycle campagnolo parts - restorable?

Old 09-06-11, 12:14 PM
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Italian f. Magni bicycle campagnolo parts - restorable?

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New here. I appreciate in advance any comments or advice!

I picked up this old bike pictured below at an auction. I like the idea of restoring it but don't really know if possible or worth it. The prior owner had repainted it AND wrapped tape all over it - both cloth and electrical!

From what I can tell there are some decent components: Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleurs & hubs, Magistroni chainset & headset I believe, stem is Nanni Torino, the brakes titled 'Universal Extra'. The seat is a Frecia D'Oro. Pedals are Trunk. The rims say Rigida and Superchrom - something or other. There is some rust - the worst issue is the paint. I'm thinking maybe the frame should just be sandblasted and repainted. The tires were Michelin but are looking scary. Also has a front and back light added.

I'd like to get an idea of how old this bike is and if it was a decent quality bike. What would you do with it? Oh, I believe it also says Chiorda Bergamo on front plate or emblem.

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Old 09-06-11, 12:21 PM
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Old 09-06-11, 12:25 PM
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Lots of paint to remove, worth doing, will you come out with a profit for your time and expense? Even if it was free, doubtful, but if it is your size it will be a fun bike to own. It should also provide a comfortable Mid Century Italian ride.
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply. I expect I'll lose money on this - but think it would make an interesting restored bike. So it's maybe an early '60s bike? How hard will it be to find parts like brake hoods, tires, cable, etc.? And is some of it even findable? The hoods for the brakes are basically gone. It would be cool to eventually have a working bike as old as me - 49 yrs.
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Perfect project - requires some elbow grease, but there's a nice bike at the end. And it looks like you have all of the components. That's a great place to start. Can you make any money on it? Probably not what your time you spend on it is worth, but that doesn't appear to be your goal.

Brake hoods should be easy to find - but probably not cheap (say $50). Cables - I wouldn't sweat it, just buy a color you like.

Blast and Paint - unless you are doing it yourself, have a buddy, etc, this is the most expensive step. Powdercoat will be the cheapest - but it won't have a look of anything near the original. But you could have it blasted and then brush paint it yourself - don't laugh, search out posts on this by BF member randyjawa.
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so crazy - i just posted in the appraisal section regarding my magni
not many folks know what to make of it as there is little info
i'm enjoying mine right now - its an early 60s which i dig alot
i hope you can clean yours up and enjoy it - would love to see pics of the progress
my appraisal thread...

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...5630-60s-Magni

and the other CV thread where some members contributed some cool related info on magni the rider...

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ighlight=magni

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BTW - love the headbadge
and if you decide NOT to keep or work on it
PM me as I might be interested in some parts purchasing from you

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Great bike. Definately 1953-1959. I think likely before 1957 - the open C on the skewer was changed to a closed C in 1958 (I think). The RD is a third gen with a cable adjustment nut, that is the 53-59. The lock nuts on the hub will have a date stamp. Probably your best bet for an overall date.

I'd restore it if it were mine. Lots of work but will turn out nice.
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Folks I appreciate all the responses! I do plan on restoring it. I know it will be a sloooow process as I'm fairly clueless about this type of stuff. But I love research and learning new things and want to do it right. There are some vintage bicycle aficionados in my area who can maybe give advice in a pinch. What are recommended books on maintenance, repair, or breakdown of these older bikes (if there are any)? There must be some good online resources as well.

I'll have to check the lock nuts to see if there's a stamp. Marley - thanks for the links and I'd say your bike is looking a bit better off right now - nice! Believe it or not I've already removed roll after roll of tape from this one.

I think the only person regretting time spent on this project will be my girlfriend.

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or you could just make it rideable (sounds like its close to that) and not worry about the cosmetics and then...
ride it and enjoy it - i'm sure that bike has stories to tell
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Originally Posted by led View Post
Folks I appreciate all the responses! I do plan on restoring it. I know it will be a sloooow process as I'm fairly clueless about this type of stuff. But I love research and learning new things and want to do it right. There are some vintage bicycle aficionados in my area who can maybe give advice in a pinch. What are recommended books on maintenance, repair, or breakdown of these older bikes (if there are any)? There must be some good online resources as well.

I'll have to check the lock nuts to see if there's a stamp. Marley - thanks for the links and I'd say your bike is looking a bit better off right now - nice! Believe it or not I've already removed roll after roll of tape from this one.

I think the only person regretting time spent on this project will be my girlfriend.

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haha replied at the same time as you did - glad you are gonna keep it
enjoy the process
please update us w pics
like i said - not many have heard of the brand - glad to have another BF'r w a magni here

as for maintenance etc books - man - you can learn ALOT in the CV forums - the experts are there everyday and will help you all you need - they love pics which it looks like you are willing to provide

edit: there is some cool info in the CV thread - an interview w magni himself - who sounded like a true bad@$$ rider - check it out
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First, completely disassemble the bike and clean. Do not blast the components. Chemicals will do better removing the paint but preserving the finish.

For more knowledge, Sheldon Brown is the place to start, https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help

For more in depth info, this is a searchable email database - https://search.bikelist.org/
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Are the lugs chromed? One of those pics makes the head tube look like it is.
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The lugs on the head tube are chromed - though partially covered with paint remnants from the do it yourself paint job. Not sure about the rest - will have to dig through the muck.
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I would stay away from powdercoat and any blasting.
Safety equipment and paint stripper will be your tools for a while.
Take lots of images during disassembly as you are not familiar.
Some of the things to take apart may not be in your best interest to do unless you have the proper tools, the cotter pins, the head set and bottom bracket (crank bearings)This includes removal of the head set cups and fixed cup of the bottom bracket, sensible buy services for a single project.

If you are lucky the rattlecan paint saved the chrome.
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I would stay away from powdercoat and any blasting.
Safety equipment and paint stripper will be your tools for a while.
Take lots of images during disassembly as you are not familiar.
Some of the things to take apart may not be in your best interest to do unless you have the proper tools, the cotter pins, the head set and bottom bracket (crank bearings)This includes removal of the head set cups and fixed cup of the bottom bracket, sensible buy services for a single project.

If you are lucky the rattlecan paint saved the chrome.

By the way, this bike undoubtedly came with tubular tires originally, it should at least end up with 700c clinchers.
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Will do - no blasting or powdercoating. I will probably call on local help for the tough parts of the disassemble. I measured (hopefully correctly) from the center of seat post to center of bottom bracket? and got approx. 55cm. Seems a decent middle of the road no. in terms of size?

My other bike is a late 80s Bridgestone 550 (pink) that I bought new and have kept the same with only slight mods - seat, tires, tape on bars. Not a super high end bike but fun and still gets comments.
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Oh, I believe it also says Chiorda Bergamo on front plate or emblem.

Luca
Magni was a sub-marque of Chiorda at one time. Later Magis were made by the Swiss ICS firm.
It's a very cool bike.
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I've finally been working to get this apart. I had to move both home and office the past months so didn't have time. I'm a bit stuck on getting the stem out on this bike I've got the bolt loose at top of stem - I'm assuming this is a type with an expanding wedge. I've given the stem and the bolt a tap or two with a rubber mallet. Still won't come loose. Since this is an old bike maybe I'm not doing things right. Any ideas? Also, the headset - does it appear that it takes a special wrench? Should I post this somewhere else on the forum?

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If you have backed off the stem bolt 4 turns and tapped it back down so that it is loose, which should free the expander, then the stem should be on its way.
If the bolt won't get to the rattle stage... or does and the stem won't twist in the fork... you have your first problem. Every once in a while the conical expander bulges the steering tube, so things get wedged very tight. Corrosion can also do this.. welding of the stem to the steerer.
There are a number of ways to attack this. I think Sheldon Brown has an article on it.
I will have to double check.
As it is a steel stem, you might be in need of some Kroil.
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