DirtyHarry714

I was planning on building this into one of my grail bikes to keep forever but i think it might be too small for me I ride a 60cm+ frame, i believe this one is 56.5cm or 57.5cm. I'm 6'1 and feel naturally more comfortable on a taller bike. I don't want to go through the trouble of building it if i'm not even going to like how it fits in the end. As it is at the moment, original owners tried to respray it to the 74' orange/copper and did a flat out terrible job, i'm either getting it powder coated or diy auto paint job. Would the powder coating really hide the lug workings that much?

1973 (Carlton) Raleigh International, Carpella lugs, What is the value of it if it is powder coated professionally with period correct decals? or should i do the auto paint? I really wanted to trade it for a different frame if anything.

-Harry

juls

Peruse 'the frame dosen't fit" thread-lots of traders there

shelbyfv

If you are planning to sell or trade it's probably best not to refinish it. The new owner will have his own ideas about the finish. Sorry, no clue as to the value.

lostarchitect 

You could check ebay for completed auctions. I was watching one recently that was something like a 1975, but it also had finish problems. Overall the frame was good. It went for $152 + shipping. If yours was just a little smaller I might have made you an offer, I really like Internationals.

repechage

If you are going to trade or sell, do not bother to refinish it.
If the chrome is good, brighten that up, remove any paint on the chrome to reveal what is underneath, if sound that will enhance the value more.
Capella lugs are in demand.
I can see $200 if the chrome is good, maybe more.

DirtyHarry714

Here is another problem though, my chrome is not in the best condition, not rust but someone really didn't know what they were doing with this particular frame.
Looks like they tried to smash the races out wrong which made these small vertical cracks on the lug near the bottom race (the top race was chipped)
I'm thinking i'm just going to get with stuck with it or maybe trade it for a low end Italian. Really only $200? It will cost me almost that much to get it painted and decals.

Thanks guys!

RubberLegs

The Joys of C&V!

DirtyHarry714

Story of our lives

RubberLegs

Why else would I have put a bunch of time and some money into a 79 Schwinn, which I KNOW is NOT worth much more than the paint and parts I put on it?!?

SteveSGP

You can make up for a small frame with a different post and stem. Within reason of course.

I know there's one or two bikes I wish I would have kept and modded lightly in that manner.




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zukahn1

I don't see you getting a lot for this frame as described even in really great condition you don't see these selling for much more than $200. Based on description you can probably only get about $75 for yours. The best chance of getting value out of this frame is to try and trade for a similar frame in the size you want. I don't see much point in repainting refinishing a frame like this unless plan on keeping the bike.

bibliobob

Perhaps see if you can remove the rattle can paint (what d bags)? Rough original paint is far preferable than a poor repaint. Photos would be nice....

repechage

My estimate just dropped with that added information. I should remember to not offer any insight w/o images.

lostarchitect 

Only $200? It has bad paint, bad chrome, and now you're saying there are cracks in the head lugs? Dude, you'll be lucky to get $75. I'd probably offer $40.

DirtyHarry714

Hmmm, i'm officially stuck with a grail bike that is too small for me.

The lug is not cracked, the chrome is just flaking off a little bit at the bottom near the race. I mean, it's a frickin' bicycle, whoever shows interest in the frame is not going to buy it to hang on the wall and stare at, they are going to ride it hopefully so me personally would not care too much about that small detail. As long as there is no major dents or dings it should work fine as a daily rider for someone out there.

Ok, so if it was re-chromed on the rear and headtube, what would be a good price for just the frame and fork unpainted?

DirtyHarry714

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lostarchitect 

If the lug isn't cracked, you shouldn't have said it had "these small vertical cracks on the lug near the bottom race." If you meant it was only the chrome, be specific. Can we see a beter photo of that?

Based on your photos, I don't think the paint is as bad as we were thinking. And if the issues on the lug are just in the chrome, I think you can still get $150 or so for it. I'd like to see some more photos. The fork and an over all shot from both sides would be good.

DirtyHarry714

I will tomorrow

bibliobob

Not nearly as bad as it sounded. If the cracks are purely cosmetic, you'll do fine on the frame. With headset and bb, you could probably fetch $200.