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Old 04-02-12, 09:53 AM
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Guerciotti with Campy C record?

I have a friend who is wondering what this bike is worth...

Its a Guerciotti from the mid 1990s with a mixed carbon / aluminum frame. I believe it has a Campy C record group but not 100% sure. Bike is in really great shape but has a cheap saddle, stem, and bars.

I told him he should part it out.

Any idea on value parted out vs complete.

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Old 04-02-12, 09:54 AM
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Sorry the picture from my phone didn't turn out as good as I had hoped. Nice campy delta brakes... I was kind of drooling over those.
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+1 on part it out. If your friend doesn't do it, the next owner will. Other than the condition, not a very attractive presentation as-is.

Those parts look super-clean and should bring top dollar.

$500-600 for the Campy bits.
$125 for the wheels (sell cassette seperately)
$150-300 for the frame. This type of carbon bonded frames have fallen out of favor.
$30 to $50 for bars+stem
$0 for pedals.
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That about what I told him it was worth parted out... but I've seen some of those campy parts sell for a pretty penny so wasn't sure. Is it best to sell the campy group together or each item separate.
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+1 on part it out. If your friend doesn't do it, the next owner will. Other than the condition, not a very attractive presentation as-is.

Those parts look super-clean and should bring top dollar.

$500-600 for the Campy bits.
$125 for the wheels (sell cassette seperately)
$150-300 for the frame. This type of carbon bonded frames have fallen out of favor.
$30 to $50 for bars+stem
$0 for pedals.
If that is indeed a rebadged Alan "Carbonio" frame (I have my suspicions that it could still be an all aluminum frame (Alan "Record") as there seems to be some finish flaked off the top tube, rught behind the headset showing aluminum maybe nder flat black paint??), it can sell for much more money than you estimated. Carbonios have been going for quite a bit more money out there compared to the all aluminum Record version of the Alan frame. I would say the going price might be more in the $500 - $600ish max. for one in excellent condition. A little more ($700ish max) if it was not rebadged as a Guerciotti (Carbonio fans preferred these bikes more as Alans). IIRC, some newer NOS Alan Carbonio frames have sold over $1K last year at eBay.

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Old 04-02-12, 02:41 PM
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"finish flaked off the top tube, rught behind the headset showing aluminum maybe nder flat black paint"... that that is actually sticker residue not flaking black paint. Sorry picture turned out so bad. Would there be any where on the frame where Alan Carbonio or Record frame are stamped that I could check to see if it carbon or aluminum. First glance I just assumed it was carbon.
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Originally Posted by septacycles View Post
"finish flaked off the top tube, rught behind the headset showing aluminum maybe nder flat black paint"... that that is actually sticker residue not flaking black paint. Sorry picture turned out so bad. Would there be any where on the frame where Alan Carbonio or Record frame are stamped that I could check to see if it carbon or aluminum. First glance I just assumed it was carbon.
I don't know of/remember seeing any decals or stamps that would have given the sign if and Alan was a Carbonio, but I did look closer at your pictures and it looks like I do see a faint carbon weave on the tubes, specially on the seat tube. If you see the same in person, then it's most likely a Carbonio. which is great, cause it sure adds a lot to the value of the bike!
If the frame cleans up to close to mint/NOS condition, I think the frame alone can easily get at least $700 and maybe higher if you catch a good group of Alan/Guerciotti fans bidding on it....maybe even up to $850 just for the frameset.
BTW, what's that crud on the lower headset lug and down tube junction. Hope it's just sticky stuff that one can clean off easily, otherwise the frame looks to be in very good condition.
Thanks for sharing this with us as I love C&V CF bikes...as evident with this latest project C&V CF bike that I bought:

an American made "Line Seeker" from 1972, which could pretty much be the first production CF bike in the world.

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yup... just some sticky crud... I think it was from a sticker. Frame is in great shape and it had the carbon weave patter... which is why I assumed it to be a carbonio rather than the record you mentioned. I saw a few alan carbonio frames for for $400 to $500 on ebay and this frame is clean but its a 60cm so I think we'd have a hard time hittin g the high dollar mark. I'm not sure if my friends want help selling it or if he want to do it him self. But I think it will take some effort parting it out and connecting with the right buyers to maximize the value of the bike and parts. regardless it was cool to see in person.
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yup... just some sticky crud... I think it was from a sticker. Frame is in great shape and it had the carbon weave patter... which is why I assumed it to be a carbonio rather than the record you mentioned. I saw a few alan carbonio frames for for $400 to $500 on ebay and this frame is clean but its a 60cm so I think we'd have a hard time hittin g the high dollar mark. I'm not sure if my friends want help selling it or if he want to do it him self. But I think it will take some effort parting it out and connecting with the right buyers to maximize the value of the bike and parts. regardless it was cool to see in person.
Prices would surely go up as we really get into the riding season, but very good point sbout the large frame size as there are lots more buyers for 52 to 58 CM frames. 60 isn't really that big yet though, so there is hope.

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I could be wrong but weren't these recalled? I remember seing atleast two of these bikes and both broke, I believe there was something like a service bulliten and we were look for signs of inpending failure but i do not recall for sure if there was an actual recall.

How can you tell they are first gen Deltas? I thought the first gen had a QR mounted on the brake, where the cable enters, and not on the lever?
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I could be wrong but weren't these recalled? I remember seing atleast two of these bikes and both broke, I believe there was something like a service bulliten and we were look for signs of inpending failure but i do not recall for sure if there was an actual recall.

How can you tell they are first gen Deltas? I thought the first gen had a QR mounted on the brake, where the cable enters, and not on the lever?
IIRC, The 1st gen Deltas had that long tube and knurled adjuster above the caliper cable bellows.
As for the frame having been recalled I have not heard of that............. yet.
There's actually an Alan Carbonio for sale right now at eBay I found last night that could be used for reference by the OP. Pretty much the same bike, except the one on eBay has full CF tubing (except the fork) including the rear triangle. I wasn't aware that Alan had two versions of the Carbonio.

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Thanks chombi... I'll check out the ebay listing you mentioned. My friend is feeling lazy and want a local sale for the complete bike. I told him I would help him part it our and sell the components and frame on consignment for 20%.
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My friend just posted this on craigslist... locally... if anyone is interested I can facilitate packing and shipping. https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/bik/3087252850.html
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