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Old 05-09-12, 03:16 PM
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Peugeot FLIP or total FLOP????

So I have been hunting down a Peugeot to work on/restore. And I feel I may have found one. Now the gentleman I purchased this from today (ebay) says it is a "Peugeot PX 10 frameset Nervex Lug Stronglight!" This sounded good to me. As I'm not super picky and I love the lugs I went ahead and purchased it. For what I hope to be a decent price.

What I would like to know/have is this wonderful forums knowledge and insight about it. Any and all information will help. And as I go along I shall add photos of the restore.

Lets hope I am not taking a big flop here.
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Old 05-09-12, 03:20 PM
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I have no knowledge to offer but I will wish you good luck with your project. I am on the tail end of my first bicycle project and it has been really rewarding.
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Well thank you Gregs656. This will be the biggest undertaking I have gone after so far. I'm very excited. This one will be a keeper for me if all goes well.
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Are you wanting to verify that it is a PX-10? I'm not an expert on them but you might post pictures of any decals, the dropouts, the lugs?
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No decals. I do not have any photos of the dropouts or anything else than what I have shown. I will show more when I get the frame. He did send me the serial number.
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Based on what I see, the bicycle could well be a Peugeot PX10, which is a highly collectable and sought after bicycle. Cleaned and painted you might end up with something like this old PX10 I restored a couple of years ago. That bike now lives in Japan and sold for a very pretty penny...



Please keep in mind that the pictures are truly inadequate for identification purposes.
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the fork crown does not appear to be correct for a px10. At this point I am not even sure it is a Peugeot. If original, the colour is not correct for Nervex lugged period Pugs. Need more and better pictures and a description of drops, threading, and seatpost size.

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These unfortunatly are the only other photos of it. It is a size 56cm according to the guy I purchased it from. As soon as it arrives I will take more photos. He also posted that it is NOT original paint.

I appriciate the info guys. Anything helps.
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may be a px with replacement fork. Post better pics when you get it. Check for crash damage at the joins of the head tube with both the down and top tube. The headset and bottom bracket appear correct.
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How sure are you that it is Peuget? Based on the color if original and the fork crown it looks like it may be Gitane or Jeunet from the same time frame.Flip it over and check the BB if its a true Nervex frame it will typically have NERVEX and lug detials stamped on the BB. Definetly a nice frame and worth rebuilding if not damaged with a lot of potential I would go for the rebuild if its your size. If you do decide to try and flip it you could build it up cheap as strait SS speed and sell it fairly easy in most markets for a couple of hundred maybe more.

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Right now I'm only able to go by what he says. When it arrives I will for sure do that and check. I thought it was a decent frame espeically for the price I paid. I will deff take more pics too. *fingers crossed*
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Old 05-09-12, 09:41 PM
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I'm assuming that you've got your $104 worth out of this auction. I believe that the lugs show that it is a higher end frame. You might just carefully remove the paint to see what it looked like originally, then restore accordingly.
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Wow you pinned the price dead on! LOL you musta been watching it too. I will be as gentle with her as possible. I'm curious as to what life lies underneath of that horrid green.
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Actually, I just looked for completed listings using your keywords. Found it right away! I wouldn't be surprised to find white tubes with mostly black luggs...
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The fork crown is not consistent with a PX10. It lacks the typical raised fillet bar on the crown, so it might be a replacement fork. The frame (based on the scalloped lugs) is definitely of early '60's to late '50's vintage. The frame may be 531, but the fork is definitely not.
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The fork does look like it might be a reynolds 531 fork, or nicer simplex which would match a lot of 60's Fench bikes including some PX-10's that featured forks different than the frame.
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Good news no matter what. As long as the fork isnt junk and of the same "Vintage" I'm content. Again thanks for the info guys.
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Just for fun, I 've been thinking about what I'd do with that frame, were I lucky enough to have it coming to me.

I'd strip the non-original and cracking paint. Repaint, a really careful rattle-can job if need be. Hand-detail the lugs with a pinstriping brush and gold or copper leaf. If the fork is good then detail the crown the same way. If you can identify it as a Peugeot then apply the appropriate repro decals. If not, come up with some groovy self-designed decals - I'm seeing something in the Rick Griffin vein here - and puzzle bike-watchers for years for come. Someday, someone will be posting here about this mystery frame with the ornate gold leaf Nervex lugs and "has anyone heard of this make from the 1960s - Axomoxa or something like that?"
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JYL

I myself have had this thing running through my head non-stop. I believe I have finally come up with a paint scheme that I will follow. I love the color "Seafoam/Mint" a little darker than Celeste. So I believe I am going to do the entire frame up in that. As for the lugs. I am thinking a nice dark yet rich blue. And then a goldish pinstriping. Whatever the maker may be. Peugeot, Jeunet, Etc... I will apply those decals in a "hopefully" similar darkish blue. As for saddle and handlebars. I'm going Brooks a nice brown color. As for cable housings creme!

I believe it will turn out beautiful. Luckily I'm a rather good artist and am going to draw it out first. Anymore "dreams" from you guys?
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the fork looks to be a japanese replacement fork,see if a 22.2 mm quill stem fits
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It (also?) looks like the fork from a lower end Peugeot.
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I emailed him and he said he was 150% sure the fork was original with the frame. Granted if he is not lying in anyway then that would make it??? A Peugeot? With the different style fork. He also said the frame was true in everyway. I guess we will find out Monday when it arrives.
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I emailed him and he said he was 150% sure the fork was original with the frame. Granted if he is not lying in anyway then that would make it??? A Peugeot? With the different style fork. He also said the frame was true in everyway. I guess we will find out Monday when it arrives.
I've found seller's memory to be spectacularly unreliable. Having had enough UO8 owners tell me they know their bike was top of the line has soured me.

The fork does not appear to be correct for a PX10. This leaves three options, in order of likelihood:

1) The bike is a PX, with a replacement fork.

2) The bike is not a PX, but a decent French frame from another maker.

3) The bike shipped from the Peugeot factory with the incorrect fork.

Given the repaint I suspect option one is the most likely followed by option two, and then way down in probability, option three. Again, I would check the previously mentioned areas for crash damage upon reciept of the frame. It's likely okay, but you should do this in any event (I do it on every bike I buy or am thinking of buying).
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+1 Typical memory fade. I have had sellers, 150% convinced on something, that they were 100% WRONG on. Its not that they were liars. It was a combination of memory fade and just an innocent mistake. Had one guy TOTALLY convinced he paid over $600 for his 1971 Schwinn Varsity (they sold for less than $100 back then). Rather than argue with him (nice guy BTW), instead I bought the kids bike he had that he was convinced had NO VALUE. I mean, who wants kids bikes? The kids bike was a nice vintage Terry.

I had another one today, gal was selling a couple of Forte branded tires at a garage sale. They were new, but were dusty and dirty, and had been sitting for a while. As luck would have it, I was on my way to buy those same tires at Performance bike. She told me she paid $46 EACH for the two tires. I explained they were on sale at Performance for $10 each (regular price was $17.99, so they weren't a closeout or some super hot deal), and since her tires had been sitting around for a while, I could offer $5 each. No way. So I drove from her house, to the Performance bike shop (a couple of miles away), and bought the two new ones for $10 each......

I've run into some really nice sellers over the years, but most information from them (size, brand, age, quality, model, or whatever) is almost always wrong.

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Take a quick look at the fork on this UO8:



Note the center tang, then look at your fork. Yours may be a repainted fork from an AO/UO model. I'm in no ways sure, we need better photos for identification purposes. The fork crown area is far more like an AO/UO model than the PX (see above, post #7).

As WRK says, it's not that the seller is lying; they're just convinced of one thing or forgot something else. It is in no way unusual. I'll post some drawings of what to look for in the head tube area in the next day or so.
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