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Realistic price for a first generation record crank set

Old 05-11-12, 11:00 PM
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Realistic price for a first generation record crank set

Ok. So i got an old 59 paramount and it came with a 1958 or so..first generation campy record crank set. I was figuring that was worth around 3-5 hundred dollars...no big deal. Doing some research and I saw that just the crank arms went for over three grand on ebay back in 2003. So now, im all excited thinking I might get some big bucks for those cranks since mine are in eqaually good shape plus they have the chain rings. Thinking now of putting mine on ebay but need a reality check on the value of these. mine are 180s and not the 170s that went on ebay so mine are longer and not sure if that makes a difference either.
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150-200 max
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"first" generation... The true first generation units are noticeably different from the items most often described as "first" In particular, no anodizing. and the spider to arm region is machined back (like a slot) on the Front surface.
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This is always a dilemma for me, too. How much is something unusual worth? When faced with this problem, offer the item globally on Ebay and set an absurd reserve value. If someone meets that value, good for you and for that someone. Both of your needs and interests will have been met with no risk to anyone.

If two someones really want the piece, sit back, soak up some suds, or what ever, and enjoy the last 30 seconds of the auction:-)

Just the way I do it and not to be considered gospel.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
"first" generation... The true first generation units are noticeably different from the items most often described as "first" In particular, no anodizing. and the spider to arm region is machined back (like a slot) on the Front surface.
veryinteresting. will check that out. also..is that one on ebay that sold for 3 grand truly first gen? Thanks very much for the info. I will compare mine to that one as well verrrry carefully
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Be sure to check that crankset over carefully for signs of cracking in the spider/crank area. The early Campagnolo cranks were known to fail due to cracking.
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Pictures are key (both here and on the bay). Good pics and well thought out ad text can be difference makers. I also like the idea of an absurd reserve for unusual pieces (never done it myself, but it makes good sense so you don't get caught on a bad day).
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Ok. So here are some pics...not worthy of ebay but ... hopefully....good enough to tell if these are in fact the "real deal". I did look at the pics of the 3 grand set that sold on ebay and, apart from being cleaned up better, i could not see any difference except mine are complete with the original rings and bolts.
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I would say realistic is $100-150 but it is very comon for first generation Record stuff to sell for unrealistic prices. I go $40 for a set of scewers with scratches and minor rust recently.
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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
I would say realistic is $100-150 but it is very comon for first generation Record stuff to sell for unrealistic prices. I go $40 for a set of scewers with scratches and minor rust recently.
Those cranks would be a screaming deal at $150. They are long which may limit their utility, BUT crank up the rarity, pun intended.

These Joe are the real deal. Note lack of material between the two spider arms adjacent to the crank arm. The flush backside of the spider.

Early Campagnolo is climbing, there is a Chromed shift lever down tube control set on the 'bay right now... plenty of time left and it's already in the three digits.
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Originally Posted by retyred View Post
Be sure to check that crankset over carefully for signs of cracking in the spider/crank area. The early Campagnolo cranks were known to fail due to cracking.
The early design crank arms that Joe has will not suffer the later spider crack syndrome. They are much more work to machine though, especially in the pre CNC era. My guess was the reason Campagnolo stopped creating them this way was for manufacturing costs.
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Thanks much for the infor and the advise. Happy these are the real deal! Now I did some more research and found out that another set sold. not long ago on ebay for only 300.00 so that leaves me with prices between 300 to 3000 dollars. quite a gap. I think I will start the bid fairly low but have a high hidden reserve just to see what happens. I they dont go very high, I will probably hold on to them...there cant be too many of these around as I believe they were only made for a year or so!!
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Welcome to ebay, the land of variance. It is very frustrating as a seller, but can be great for the patient buyer. I sell stuff on ebay every week, and the variance on ending price for identical items is very frustrating.
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The $3000 number is definitely a huge outlier. $150 would also be a huge outlier in the other direction. I think your original $300-500 is about right, more towards the $500 end. They are definitely very valuable but not $3000 valuable on a normal day.
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Originally Posted by BlueDevil63 View Post
The $3000 number is definitely a huge outlier. $150 would also be a huge outlier in the other direction. I think your original $300-500 is about right, more towards the $500 end. They are definitely very valuable but not $3000 valuable on a normal day.
Lots of good images, do some homework and be willing and capable to ship internationally with insurance and signature, like Overseas Courier Service and set a reserve, look at the international time zones to pick a weekend and reasonably tolerable time for the USA and Asia. Include the rings and chainring bolts and you might be pleasantly surprised. Only brakes on these are the length, but for a different set they are unobtainium..
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Lots of good images, do some homework and be willing and capable to ship internationally with insurance and signature, like Overseas Courier Service and set a reserve, look at the international time zones to pick a weekend and reasonably tolerable time for the USA and Asia. Include the rings and chainring bolts and you might be pleasantly surprised. Only brakes on these are the length, but for a different set they are unobtainium..
Thanks for the tip on that. Now I am using semichrome on them and they are looking very nice. Trying to buff them up a bit as well. Im assuming that I should put them on ebay along with all the hardware and the matching pedals? I think the pedals are a bit different as well as to fit these type of cranks.
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You would have to take one of the pedals apart to confirm the exact design, early units used an "O" ring as an inboard seal.

I would not go silly on buffing them, clean them up. think about how Sterling flatware in Great Britain is kept up traditionally. Pedals could go with an allied auction. I would sell the crank hardware and chainrings together. Just because I don't like the a la carte that some do.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
You would have to take one of the pedals apart to confirm the exact design, early units used an "O" ring as an inboard seal.

I would not go silly on buffing them, clean them up. think about how Sterling flatware in Great Britain is kept up traditionally. Pedals could go with an allied auction. I would sell the crank hardware and chainrings together. Just because I don't like the a la carte that some do.
Very good. Will do. I will probably put them on next week so it will be intersting to see what happens
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Anything older Campy is being priced through the roof. Even early GS/NR brake shoe holders in used condition are becoming unaffordable. A set of 4 in OK condition, without brake blocks just sold for over 70 bucks at eBay!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CAMP...item3f172a4f63
I would not doubt if you can get over 100 bucks for your crankset....
Did everyone out there become C&Vers overnight or something??

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