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2005 Albert Eisentraut -help us settle a bet - what do you think this could be worth?

Old 07-03-12, 05:32 PM
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2005 Albert Eisentraut -help us settle a bet - what do you think this could be worth?

We have a friend who has what he says is a rare bike: an Albert Eisentraut. In near perfect condition, it was hand-built in 2005 at the Eisentraut home base in Oakland just for our friend, who rode it for 10 miles and decided biking wasn't his sport. So he has kept it carefully stored since then. There is a bet on the table about what the value of this bike is! We can't find anything on it, and there's no one to call from Eisentraut. We'd appreciate any information you have. Please email me at simplifyenterprises at yahoo. My name is Erica.
Size: 60
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Centaur Triple
Campanolo Centaur Kit includes:
Wheels with Mavic Rims 32 hole and Centaur hubs
Deda bars and stem
Continental tires
Centaur seatpost
San Marco saddle

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Originally Posted by Bennett Connors View Post
We have a friend who has what he says is a rare bike: an Albert Eisentraut. In near perfect condition, it was hand-built in 2005 at the Eisentraut home base in Oakland just for our friend, who rode it for 10 miles and decided biking wasn't his sport. So he has kept it carefully stored since then. There is a bet on the table about what the value of this bike is! We can't find anything on it, and there's no one to call from Eisentraut. We'd appreciate any information you have. Please email me at simplifyenterprises at yahoo. My name is Erica.
Size: 60
Color: Black
Style: TI
Centaur Triple
Campanolo Centaur Kit includes:
Wheels with Mavic Rims 32 hole and Centaur hubs
Deda bars and stem
Continental tires
Centaur seatpost
San Marco saddle

Thanks!
No photos, no valuation.

In general, American framebuilders are under valued. Your bike is a very late Eisentraut. He is one of the more respected builders, and really the source of most American custom framebuilding.

Again, no photos, no valuation.
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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
No photos, no valuation.

In general, American framebuilders are under valued. Your bike is a very late Eisentraut. He is one of the more respected builders, and really the source of most American custom framebuilding.

Again, no photos, no valuation.
Good point, Poguemahone! The bike is coming out of storage tomorrow, will have him take photos and I'll post. Thanks!
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Old 07-04-12, 07:04 AM
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Try and shoot against a fairly nuetral background. Give us a photo of the drive side:



Use a service like photobucket; but if you do, when you post on this site, uncheck the box in the pop up that says "retrieve file and reference locally."

Try also to give us shots of any nice details, as well. We really like pics. Looking forward to seeing it!
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"hand-built in 2005 at the Eisentraut home base in Oakland just for our friend"

so your friend paid for it new 7 years ago. Why don't you just ask him what he paid? That's about what it is worth. Why is he lacking info on something that was custom built for him 7 years ago? Why is this here in classic & vintage? and without pictures?
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Not rare and worth aprox 60% of the total original purchase price.
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Not rare and worth aprox 60% of the total original purchase price.
Not rare, but not common either. Probably not worth a semantical quibble. To the average, non-bike sort, rare. To us on this board, not exactly another Bianchi or Peugeot.

I suspect less than 60% of the purchase price. The value is largely in the frame. The parts are in that uncomfortable land between "new" and "vintage". The frame is also on the large side.

Still need to see it. I like Eisentrauts and would gladly buy another if it happened along at the right price.
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We need to know about the frame and fork details. This could range from a very intricate lugged model to a utilitarian TIG welded model (which Eisentraut favored in the later years). I am not sure if the TIG welded models are really collectable, even though they tend to ride very well.
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If it was "built just for" a particular rider, it could have oddball geometry that provide a poor riding experience for anyone who doesn't share the original purchaser's dimensions and riding position and style. Something to keep in mind, and definitely affects value.
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If it was "built just for" a particular rider, it could have oddball geometry that provide a poor riding experience for anyone who doesn't share the original purchaser's dimensions and riding position and style. Something to keep in mind, and definitely affects value.
Absolutely true.

I have an interesting Chris Kvale frame sitting here that was built for someone with fairly short legs, but long in torso.

A used Kvale frame around the Midwest is a fairly brisk seller if the measurements in the seat tube and top tube are similar.

...and they go for decent dollars.

For example, a 57 ctc seat tube and a 57 ctc top tube.

An easy sale!

The one I have is 54 ctt seat tube and a 58 ctc top tube.

Not an easy sale at all.

I may be looking at this beauty for a very long time.
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Photos of 2005 Eisentraut


Hi all, I hope I've uploaded these photos correctly. I'm hoping to give a friend a sales value on it based on what you experts have to tell us.
He paid $3500 in 2005, rode it once for 10 miles then stored it very carefully. I'll upload some more photos soon, but what do you all think? Thanks so much!
Here's the photobucket link in case: https://s1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ors/?start=all

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Pluses: It is in very nice shape. It does not appear to my eye to have funky geometry; pretty basic.

Minuses: It is tig welded, not lugged (the one in my earlier post is lugged). Taller size (harder to sell).

I would expect around 1200$ for it. It will sit for a while in that price range. I would start by asking more (2?) and slowly lower the price. High end bikes, fairly priced, do not move super fast (sorry) and the size might slow it down a bit more (it will not be as much of a factor as it would with a lesser bike). Someone will be along shortly to explain why I am an idiot. Our pricing is partly guesswork and more accurate with more common rides, because we see and sell them more often. Bikes like these are outliers. Take the various estimates and form a consensus from them.

My experience with Eisentrauts is that they are the best riding bikes ever. Again, someone will be along shortly to explain why I am an idiot.
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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
Pluses: It is in very nice shape. It does not appear to my eye to have funky geometry; pretty basic.

Minuses: It is tig welded, not lugged (the one in my earlier post is lugged). Taller size (harder to sell).

I would expect around 1200$ for it. It will sit for a while in that price range. I would start by asking more (2?) and slowly lower the price. High end bikes, fairly priced, do not move super fast (sorry) and the size might slow it down a bit more (it will not be as much of a factor as it would with a lesser bike). Someone will be along shortly to explain why I am an idiot. Our pricing is partly guesswork and more accurate with more common rides, because we see and sell them more often. Bikes like these are outliers. Take the various estimates and form a consensus from them.

My experience with Eisentrauts is that they are the best riding bikes ever. Again, someone will be along shortly to explain why I am an idiot.
Makes sense to me.

I think you're in the range.

We all have our own favorite "riding" bicycle though I think.

Super nice bicycle btw.

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Just to post photos in thread. FWIW, I agree with Poguemahone on the market value and his reasoning. I think for an Eisentraut this size, a big plus in helping to sell it would be an accurate drawing of the frameset geometry (dimensions and angles) since a potential buyer would want to know up front whether it will fit.





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I think for an Eisentraut this size, a big plus in helping to sell it would be an accurate drawing of the frameset geometry (dimensions and angles) since a potential buyer would want to know up front whether it will fit.
+10. With a bike like this you are dealing with (very) informed buyers. They'll know what the bike is and expect information, and will dismiss any gloss or overstatement.

Out of idle curiousity, what was the bet?
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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
+10. With a bike like this you are dealing with (very) informed buyers. They'll know what the bike is and expect information, and will dismiss any gloss or overstatement.

Out of idle curiousity, what was the bet?
Well, wine WAS involved, and the second bottle was the bet. Looks like I won! Thanks all. He will want to sell it, so I'll post it for him on the sales thread since I'm already registered. Any interested folks, look for it up later tonight.
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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
I would expect around 1200$ for it. It will sit for a while in that price range. I would start by asking more (2?) and slowly lower the price. High end bikes, fairly priced, do not move super fast (sorry) and the size might slow it down a bit more (it will not be as much of a factor as it would with a lesser bike). Someone will be along shortly to explain why I am an idiot. Our pricing is partly guesswork and more accurate with more common rides, because we see and sell them more often. Bikes like these are outliers.
You're an idiot Kidding, I promise.

But really, I agree with you. There are tons of buyers looking for inexpensive transportation. As you get into this range there are much fewer buyers and they're much more selective about dropping a grand or two on a new bike. OP: if you or your friend or whoever can't net a local sale you might have to put this one up on ebay.
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Thanks so much. Where would I even post this bike, aside from Ebay? No one is selling one on Ebay, it is pretty obscure. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
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Thanks so much. Where would I even post this bike, aside from Ebay? No one is selling one on Ebay, it is pretty obscure. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
They're not that obscure, at least to us. There's another Eisentraut photoed on this thread, and they show up on the bay now and again (about 10 times or so a year, maybe a bit more or less). Eisentraut had a very long and respected run building frames, starting in the sixties and continuing on for a very long time, about forty years. His production was never huge (Trek probably makes more bikes in an afternoon) but consistent. We see them here now and again, and they are always a pleasure to look at, so thank you for bringing in your photos and I wish you luck with the sale. I would consider it, but even at the low end of my estimate it is out of my current budget.

BTW, if you have the original build sheets and paperwork, offer it with the sale. I believe in ten or so years time, he'll be considered on of the most important handbuilders ever, along with Herse and Singer. Just opinion and future specualtion there, so take it for what it is worth.
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