Notices
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals. Use this subforum for all requests as to "How much is this vintage bike worth?"Do NOT try to sell it in here, use the Marketplaces.

Ciocc 84

Old 09-03-12, 04:41 PM
  #1  
Kactus 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 2,825

Bikes: 1962 Schwinn Paramount P12, 1971 Schwinn Paramount P13-9

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 15 Posts
Ciocc 84

There is a CIOCC available in my area that I was wondering the value of.






It has a Campy Super Record group and appears to be in very nice condition.
Kactus is offline  
Old 09-03-12, 05:04 PM
  #2  
brian3069 
Senior Member
 
brian3069's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,804

Bikes: Raleigh Supercourse

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 186 Post(s)
Liked 109 Times in 63 Posts
I'm no expert on Campagnolo, I don't believe that's Super Record. Victory maybe? Sorry, can't help with value.
brian3069 is offline  
Old 09-03-12, 05:07 PM
  #3  
Chombi
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,138

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts
I don't think that's a Super Record group on that bike. From what I see, It looks like a Victory gruppo on it, which is definitely a few steps below an SR group. Victory groups were used mostly on mid to upper mid level model bikes back in the 80's. Maybe the PO bought it originally as a frameset and got the Victory group for it as a "budget" choice. It's not a bad group, but does imply a "budget" approach to the build
That 84 "Designer" (Columbus SL?) frame can certainly swing an NR or SR group if one want to change out that gruppo. I wouldn't hesitate to install a later Chorus group on that frame that will certainly shift and possibly brake much better.
As for the value of that bike, if there is no corrosion on the frame and the graphics and paint are lall intact, and assuming it's at least SL tubed frame, I would think it would get at least $450 as see see it in the pics. If that's an SLX frame, more like $650ish minimum. An Aelle tube frame would be more like $300/$350.....

Chombi
Chombi is offline  
Old 09-03-12, 05:14 PM
  #4  
thinktubes 
weapons-grade bolognium
 
thinktubes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Across the street from Chicago
Posts: 5,385

Bikes: Battaglin Cromor, Ciocc Designer 84, Schwinn Superior 1981

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 664 Post(s)
Liked 716 Times in 359 Posts
My Ciocc 84 has SLX tubing. Should have a sticker stating as much.

The one pictured appears to be a mid-80's model. If the frame is SLX and had decent paint/chome, it's worth between $550 to $700. To be on the high end, everything would have to be in excellent condition.

If it fits and the price is right, definitely got for it - I love mine.
thinktubes is online now  
Old 09-03-12, 05:20 PM
  #5  
Kactus 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 2,825

Bikes: 1962 Schwinn Paramount P12, 1971 Schwinn Paramount P13-9

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 15 Posts
The seller says it was made in 1984 and that it has SLX tubing. I'll try to get more photos.
Kactus is offline  
Old 09-03-12, 05:43 PM
  #6  
thinktubes 
weapons-grade bolognium
 
thinktubes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Across the street from Chicago
Posts: 5,385

Bikes: Battaglin Cromor, Ciocc Designer 84, Schwinn Superior 1981

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 664 Post(s)
Liked 716 Times in 359 Posts
A seller will almost always tell you the an 84 was made in 1984 based on the decals. I wouldn't put a lot of weight in this since the 84 model was made for at least 6-8 years. Still, this one looks to be mid-80's. A clue would be if you could figure out when they started to you the rainbow graphics on the "C". Mine is appoximately an '86 (based on the bike license sticker) and the "C" is solid white. I think this one may be a little later.

Last edited by thinktubes; 09-03-12 at 05:53 PM.
thinktubes is online now  
Old 09-04-12, 11:22 AM
  #7  
Chombi
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,138

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
The seller says it was made in 1984 and that it has SLX tubing. I'll try to get more photos.
Remember to find out if there's "rifling" (helical reinforcements) in the tubes if you can to confirm, specially if the frame does not have its tubing decals anymore. It will be nice if the seller can confirm this before you buy it, but that could be some work on his part to open up the BB to see the ends of the tubes. But if he is serious enough to sell the bike at the typically much higher SLX prices, he should really confirm it for you, or at least put it in writing so you can get some money back or return it if it turns out not to be the case.

Chombi
Chombi is offline  
Old 09-04-12, 11:42 AM
  #8  
Bianchigirll 
Bianchi Goddess
 
Bianchigirll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In
Posts: 27,313

Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.

Mentioned: 142 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1935 Post(s)
Liked 712 Times in 448 Posts
Judging by the hollow brake capnut and RD I would say the group is Triomphe.
__________________
Bianchis '90 Proto, '90 Campione del Fausto Giamondi Specialisma Italiano Mundo, '91 Boarala 'cross, '93 Project 3, '86 Volpe, '97 Ti Megatube, '93 Reparto Corse SBX

Others but still loved; '80 Batavus Professional, '87 Cornelo, '?? Jane Doe (still on the drawing board), '90ish Haro Escape SLX Bertoni "Speckled Trout"
Bianchigirll is offline  
Old 09-04-12, 01:03 PM
  #9  
thinktubes 
weapons-grade bolognium
 
thinktubes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Across the street from Chicago
Posts: 5,385

Bikes: Battaglin Cromor, Ciocc Designer 84, Schwinn Superior 1981

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 664 Post(s)
Liked 716 Times in 359 Posts
You can check inside the fork tube to rifiling as well.
thinktubes is online now  
Old 09-04-12, 08:22 PM
  #10  
Kactus 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 2,825

Bikes: 1962 Schwinn Paramount P12, 1971 Schwinn Paramount P13-9

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 15 Posts
Here are some additional photos.






Does this help out?
Kactus is offline  
Old 09-04-12, 10:38 PM
  #11  
thinktubes 
weapons-grade bolognium
 
thinktubes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Across the street from Chicago
Posts: 5,385

Bikes: Battaglin Cromor, Ciocc Designer 84, Schwinn Superior 1981

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 664 Post(s)
Liked 716 Times in 359 Posts
You'll really want to make sure this Frame is built with SLX before going forward.
thinktubes is online now  
Old 09-05-12, 02:54 PM
  #12  
Chombi
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,138

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by thinktubes View Post
You'll really want to make sure this Frame is built with SLX before going forward.
Yahhh,........Columbus seat tube sticker seems to say that this frame is SL.....

Chombi
Chombi is offline  
Old 09-05-12, 03:21 PM
  #13  
jet sanchEz
Senior Member
 
jet sanchEz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 8,696
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 796 Post(s)
Liked 403 Times in 192 Posts
Yeah, probably SL since the rear triangle is chromed. If if it is your size and the price is reasonable, grab it.
jet sanchEz is offline  
Old 09-05-12, 05:18 PM
  #14  
Kactus 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 2,825

Bikes: 1962 Schwinn Paramount P12, 1971 Schwinn Paramount P13-9

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 15 Posts
Could the generic sticker indicate tubes like Aelle?
Kactus is offline  
Old 09-05-12, 05:30 PM
  #15  
jet sanchEz
Senior Member
 
jet sanchEz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 8,696
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 796 Post(s)
Liked 403 Times in 192 Posts
I believe that the generic sticker is for SL, or at least that the 3 main tubes are SL. Definitely would be odd to see an Aelle bike from this era with a fully chromed triangle.
jet sanchEz is offline  
Old 09-05-12, 06:03 PM
  #16  
thinktubes 
weapons-grade bolognium
 
thinktubes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Across the street from Chicago
Posts: 5,385

Bikes: Battaglin Cromor, Ciocc Designer 84, Schwinn Superior 1981

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 664 Post(s)
Liked 716 Times in 359 Posts
Not sure-fire, but I believe Aelle bikes used a 26.8mm seatpost. SLX would use 27.2mm.

Best bet is to remove the seatpost and shine a flash light in to check for rifling near the BB.
thinktubes is online now  
Old 09-06-12, 11:21 AM
  #17  
Chombi
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,138

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
Could the generic sticker indicate tubes like Aelle?
Aelle tube sticker would usually, if not always, have the word "Aelle" right under the "Columbus" on the sticker. Same with Tretubis.
SL tube sticker was more plain/generic looking as seen on this bike.

Chombi
Chombi is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
iawolfeman
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
6
08-24-19 09:01 AM
techrtr
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
9
08-25-16 06:14 AM
joe englert
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
2
12-01-12 11:10 AM
WJV
Classic & Vintage
25
01-16-11 08:32 AM
wrote4luck
Classic & Vintage
33
10-30-10 10:46 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.