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Old 09-04-12, 10:14 PM
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Merckx Titanium AX wearing tricolor.

Just picked this up today. I know I got a great deal for it (even the seller admitted the frame is worth more than the asking price), but I don't know what I should expect for the whole package, especially with tricolor.







This smudge on the diamond decal actually came off, think it was a smashed bug from the drive home.














Any thoughts? I'm not averse to parting this one out. I have a great destination for the parts, and a lead for some 9 speed first gen campy (not record, I don't remember what it is).

link to album of glamour shots taken in poor light and macro mode- https://imgur.com/a/2Uz9R
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Definitely part it out. Both the frame and parts are desirable. Those parts (which I love) on that frame will hold down the value. Nice score!
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Old 09-05-12, 02:37 AM
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Very nice score.. parting out the complete tricolor group should be able to fetch something decent
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Value complete is = value of the frameset alone. So a part out will net far more $$. Tricolor group will bring nice $$ when sold separately. By the sounds of the deal you got, you may cover the cost of the bike just with the sale of the components. At that point, the sale of the frameset is all "profit". Very tasty!
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Congrats - I agree with the above. Fantastic frame - I would love to have a Merckx Ti.
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That's a beautiful frame, I'd love to see that built up as you envision (Campy 9).
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Thanks guys. What's reasonable on the frame (frameset?) $700?
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What size is the frame?
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I thought about going after this, but I likely would have flipped it and thought it was wrong to ask another member to ship me a bike just to flip it. I'm actually going to disagree with the above advice on this one; value of tricolor parts isn't great enough, and the frame value isn't great enough, to justify a part out. I think it's worth nearly the same complete...and will net around $1,000 - $1,200ish on eBay. Value on these seems to fluctuate a good bit.

I'd say frame value is around $600 - $800, as you suspect. Sadly most vintage ti doesn't hold value, which I don't understand based on its survivability. Maybe that's hurting it - the stuff doesn't normally break or require repaints, so there isn't as much loss (greater supply).
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I thought about going after this, but I likely would have flipped it and thought it was wrong to ask another member to ship me a bike just to flip it. I'm actually going to disagree with the above advice on this one; value of tricolor parts isn't great enough, and the frame value isn't great enough, to justify a part out. I think it's worth nearly the same complete...and will net around $1,000 - $1,200ish on eBay. Value on these seems to fluctuate a good bit.

I'd say frame value is around $600 - $800, as you suspect. Sadly most vintage ti doesn't hold value, which I don't understand based on its survivability. Maybe that's hurting it - the stuff doesn't normally break or require repaints, so there isn't as much loss (greater supply).
Yeah, had to be fast for this one. I have a hard time wrapping my head around how a facilitation works if the man on the ground puts the money up.

It's around a 56, but maybe a 55 if Merckx' came in 55. I'll measure when I get home.
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Update-

The campy group I had lined up is 8speed mirage.

Local bike guru, Glenn Swan has agreed to a straight trade of my tricolor components and wheels for the components and zonda wheels off of a 1996 diamondback podium 2.0 (link to the bike) it follows the bikepedia page with nearly full mirage and zonda wheels except that it has a veloce FD. The bike was never sold, but does show some rust and age having been hanging in his outdoor storage (barn) for the last 15+ years.

I know mirage is relatively middle of the road, but this is a great trade, right? How do campy freehub bodies work? Can I put a 9speed cassette on the zondas and can I convert the ergos to 9speed?

I have the diamondback n the roof of my car right now (Glen's a GREAT guy) and can get moving on this tonight given supportive advice.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
..... Sadly most vintage ti doesn't hold value, which I don't understand based on its survivability. Maybe that's hurting it - the stuff doesn't normally break or require repaints, so there isn't as much loss (greater supply).
Maybe it's because the aesthetics of a Ti frame, although usually graced with some of the finest welds ever in bikedom, is usually quite bland compared to fully lugged steel frame. So the only thing going for them in most people's eyes would be the frame material. I myself cannot get excited with the plain looks of most TI lugless, welded frame. They just reminds me too much of the lugless Peugeot PH10 I had in the 80's which I couldn't wait back then to graduate out of so I can try out "better" bikes with real, pointy lugs on it. JMOs

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I think Aaron's valuation is spot on. I was offered 1600 by several people when I considered selling my AX but it has much nicer parts on it. With tricolor, I would guess about 1000 complete on ebay on a good day, + or - a few hundred.

Mirage is bottom end Campy. I would keep tricolor over Mirage (and I'm a Campy guy). The Zondas are nice though.
Without serious modification or swapping freehub bodies, 8s Campy hub will not accept 9/10/11s Campy.
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I ride Campagnolo Mirage and have ridden the Tri-colour.
Mirage really is an entry-level group, it was not available to the general public, only on complete bikes. Same for the Zonda wheels.
The overall quality is not very high, especially the ergo's: mostly plastic, mine have started to produce a rattling sound. The wheels are heavy, they look like Ventos and Shamals but really are cheap knock-offs.
You cannot turn the 8-speed into 9-speed.
I don't think a straight trade is a "good deal" if you look at functionality but money-wise it is probably not bad.
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Agree with the above, keep the tricolor.

Chombi - I'm sure that plays a role...ti does have a sameness about it, and I'm not one for tig either. Still, they're EXCELLENT riders, great value and, as you hinted, the welding is amazing on many of them. It's a more industrial, straight to business feel.

It's nice to have a frame you don't worry about scratching or wiping down.
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I'm a Campy guy also and I wouldn't pay for Mirage or maybe put it on a daily rider that I wouldn't but too hurt if it was stolen. Though I never liked the look of Shimano STI shifters until just the current stuff now. They just look extremely bulky and not a fan of the shift cables coming out the side of the lever compared to the sleekness of the Ergo shifters.
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I have/had bikes with Mirage and tricolor components. I would take tricolor any day of the week over Mirage. I would probably take 105 over Mirage. Mirage is low end Campy. Not to say Mirage is bad but I like tricolor better.
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Brought the mirage bike back. Decided to heed your advice.

Thanks for talking me out of that one guys. I was motivated by the thought of having something different- I already have a bike with tricolor STIs and the dual pivot brakes.

I'll find the right period correct campy group one of these days.
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