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1995 De Rosa Primato -Campy Athena gruppo, red, near perfect original

Old 10-31-12, 03:19 PM
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1995 De Rosa Primato -Campy Athena gruppo, red, near perfect original

What do you think the value of this bike might be?
The original owner wants $1,500.
The bike looks as new in regards to paint and decal condition.
56cm seat tube, brake lever shifters, clipless pedals, full Campagnolo Athena components.
Low original miles.
Beautiful De Rosa Primato, stored in the house as an art object, around 1200 miles on it.

I've seen two others on ebay: one asking $2500.; another $1800.; both with lots of scrapes and scratches, and both with no bids.

I am considering purchase, but don't want to pay too much.
What would you offer as a fair price?

Thank you in advance for your opinions!
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Originally Posted by Peugeotlover View Post
What do you think the value of this bike might be?
The original owner wants $1,500.
The bike looks as new in regards to paint and decal condition.
56cm seat tube, brake lever shifters, clipless pedals, full Campagnolo Athena components.
Low original miles.
Beautiful De Rosa Primato, stored in the house as an art object, around 1200 miles on it.

I've seen two others on ebay: one asking $2500.; another $1800.; both with lots of scrapes and scratches, and both with no bids.

I am considering purchase, but don't want to pay too much.
What would you offer as a fair price?

Thank you in advance for your opinions!
Pics please!

Happy to help though, as these are special bicycles.
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Pics are necessary...I don't think it's a screaming deal with the Athena on it, but these typically go high because they're awesome and there just aren't many out there. It's probably a buy in your size.
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8s Athena? Components are only worth a few hundred bucks, so the value here is in the frame.

Sounds like it is mint, and in a popular size, I would value the frame around $800 - $1k. Maybe more but probably not this time of year...

(listen to gomango and konaaronsnake, they know a lot more about these specific bikes than I do)
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8s Athena? Components are only worth a few hundred bucks, so the value here is in the frame.

Sounds like it is mint, and in a popular size, I would value the frame around $800 - $1k. Maybe more but probably not this time of year...

(listen to gomango and konaaronsnake, they know a lot more about these specific bikes than I do)
I think your reading is on point and your frame valuation accurate...in good shape, I'd expect 800-1000 for a frame. The thing is that by the time you add bars, parts, wheels, etc...even with Athena, it isn't that bad. It isn't that great either...it's definitely not a deal and I'd try bargaining. A lot might depend on WHAT Athena is on there. That said...how often does a good one come up? It took me a good long while to find mine. It might be a little high, but I think it's only above value by maybe $100 or so...at that price, if I wanted one, I'd probably buy it.

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Originally Posted by Peugeotlover View Post

I've seen two others on ebay: one asking $2500.; another $1800.; both with lots of scrapes and scratches, and both with no bids.
What people are asking on ebay does not matter. What people have successfully sold bikes for on ebay does matter.

And remember, depending on where you live, high end bikes sold locally can sell at a significant discount over successful ebay sales. In my market, this discount is very large, sometimes 50% or even more! YMMV. Selling on ebay can be a PITA, full of fees, buyers win any/all disputes/etc. But it attracts a wide, nationwide to world wide market, vs the local market.

Now if you are in a major metro market, then you could find some serious buyers. While there are many that search C/L country wide, a lot of C/L sellers have zero interest in shipping (hence the selling on C/L).

Now is it worth $1500? Based on the pics below, yes. Will it bring $1500 on a local C/L sale? Possible, but around here, very doubtful. Depends on the market.
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A good condition De Rosa Primato with a higher end gruppo (Record) would typically sell (not asking price) for around $1800 - $2000 on eBay...and for similar on CL in a good market...maybe drop 10% - 20%. Some of this depends on condition and wear...tires, saddle, etc. It really depends on your market. Wrk is absolutely right in saying that CL is a lower market for bigger ticket bikes, but for a De Rosa Primato it's a little different; people have searches that they run for these and they'll pay cash because they are hard to find in the right size. There was a line of people looking to buy mine on CL.
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I'll make this simple.

Buy the Primato if it is as clean as you say.

Nothing wrong with Athena.

Not my fav, but works fine.

Save your shillings for a high zoot Campy gruppo like the 10 speed Chorus on my Giro d' Italia.

Chorus has become my favorite Campy gruppo by far.

...and where are the pics for goodness sakes? I am violating a rule of mine about talking bike value w/o pics!

Fwiw There is a beautiful Primato on CL at the $1,500 mark with Chorus!
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Chorus with at least, Monoiplanar brake calipers would be really nice as a minimum group for such a cool frameset. Unfortunately, the Athena group, although it works just as well as the Chorus, but without as good a finish, is mostly overshadowed by the Chorus group, so they don't bring in the big bucks.

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gomango is right. Try to haggle a bit if you can, but buy the thing. You won't regret it. You'll forget all about the $100-200 you maybe could have saved once you ride it and especially after you have owned it for years.

My life has gotten busier recently so I don't have much free time for riding. For this reason, I'm probably going to sell a few bikes to buy one really nice one. A Primato would fit into that category and I would definitely pay $1500 for one if rust and dent free.
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Yes, I'd really like to post pics... but then I'd give away the seller, ad, and location!
Some one might buy it out from under me, and I want a chance at the bike, since I found it.

The frame and color are just like the picture Aaron posted above.
With the chrome lugs joining the top tube and the down tube with the head tube.
And the De Rosa on top of the fork.
It's got the chrome chain stay protector, and the rose decal behind the Columbus tubing sticker.
With the Ugo signature decal below the Columbus decal.
It has a white saddle, but it's a different style- less meat on the side
The bar tape was just changed to a black and white wrapped together, and with a new computer.
The paint is as nice as Aaron's!
It looks different, having tan wall tires, of course.

Thank you, folks, for your responses.
I think I'll make an appointment to see it, and ask him if he's got any flex in his price.
I have Nuovo Record on my Raleigh, but didn't know anything about the Athena pieces, so thanks for that advisement.

edit: I just looked at it again and I made a mistake, the ad says Chorus group. So I was wrong about the Athena (looking at too many ads).

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De Rosa Primatos are not your average De Rosa...they didn't make this configuration for that long a period of time and they are VERY well regarded, as is the EL OS tubing. I don't think post-ICS De Rosas are that uncommon, though certainly not in the production realm of Colnago. These are special, sort of like the Merckx MXLs in desirability. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the MXL and Primato represent the most desirable of the era's production steel bikes (along with maybe Serottas).

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Originally Posted by Peugeotlover View Post
Yes, I'd really like to post pics... but then I'd give away the seller, ad, and location!
Some one might buy it out from under me, and I want a chance at the bike, since I found it.

The frame and color are just like the picture Aaron posted above.
With the chrome lugs joining the top tube and the down tube with the head tube.
And the De Rosa on top of the fork.
It's got the chrome chain stay protector, and the rose decal behind the Columbus tubing sticker.
With the Ugo signature decal below the Columbus decal.
It has a white saddle, but it's a different style- less meat on the side
The bar tape was just changed to a black and white wrapped together, and with a new computer.
The paint is as nice as Aaron's!
It looks different, having tan wall tires, of course.

Thank you, folks, for your responses.
I think I'll make an appointment to see it, and ask him if he's got any flex in his price.
I have Nuovo Record on my Raleigh, but didn't know anything about the Athena pieces, so thanks for that advisement.

edit: I just looked at it again and I made a mistake, the ad says Chorus group. So I was wrong about the Athena (looking at too many ads).
I've seen the pics of the bicycle you are considering.

If there aren't any hidden faults, buy the bicycle tonight.

The price is very fair.

I wouldn't play any games.

You may send me a thank you note later.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
De Rosa Primatos are not your average De Rosa...they didn't make this configuration for that long a period of time and they are VERY well regarded, as is the EL OS tubing. I don't think post-ICS De Rosas are that uncommon, though certainly not in the production realm of Colnago. These are special, sort of like the Merckx MXLs in desirability. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the MXL and Primato represent the most desirable of the era's production steel bikes (along with maybe Serottas).

Love the Diamante stays.











Aaron, there are no average De Rosas. Imho
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Would you prefer harder to find with more unique features than most, and a higher price tag?
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Thank you, guys.
The bike is actually a 2 hour drive away, all back roads. I'll call the seller in the morning, too late tonight.
You really have got my curiosity up, though. Is the ride that good? Are these Italians making magic frames?

What does the ICS stand for, please?
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It was a typo actually...ic lugs, or investment cast lugs.

Magic? No...but they ride nicely and comfortably. Unlike most production frames, De Rosas have a fork custom for the size. I'm a fan of the OS tubes and it's quite beautiful.
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Thank you, guys.
The bike is actually a 2 hour drive away, all back roads. I'll call the seller in the morning, too late tonight.
You really have got my curiosity up, though. Is the ride that good? Are these Italians making magic frames?

What does the ICS stand for, please?

First of all, some Italian framesets have a little something extra.

My Tommasini Super Prestige is one of the nicest riding bicycles I've ever owned.

Simply correct and special in all regards.

Built to ride fast.

Past that tough, ELOS framesets have a little of that extra zip I enjoy.

I currently have three from different builders. Two of them are Italian.

Each is as nice as the next in its own way.

ics=investment cast btw
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Thank you, guys.
The bike is actually a 2 hour drive away, all back roads. I'll call the seller in the morning, too late tonight.
You really have got my curiosity up, though. Is the ride that good? Are these Italians making magic frames?

What does the ICS stand for, please?
Status report?

I have a friend that wants to consider this bicycle as an option, but I am feeling a sense of apprehension telling him the source.

I wanted to make sure you had a shot.

He's a cash and carry buyer.
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Status report?

I have a friend that wants to consider this bicycle as an option, but I am feeling a sense of apprehension telling him the source.

I wanted to make sure you had a shot.

He's a cash and carry buyer.

I have been doing research on the Primato.

A common issue I have found that troubles me is the failure on 1999, and earlier, ergo shifter:

https://campyonly.com/howto/ergo_rebuild.html

The right side shifter is tricky to repair, as the springs lose tension when the handle is disassembled.
The post is a weak part, and tends to break.
Most mechanics won't touch it.


If I don't buy it today, I'll post a link to the ad.

I appreciate your input and encouragement. Thanks.
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I have been doing research on the Primato.

A common issue I have found that troubles me is the failure on 1999, and earlier, ergo shifter:

https://campyonly.com/howto/ergo_rebuild.html

The right side shifter is tricky to repair, as the springs lose tension when the handle is disassembled.
The post is a weak part, and tends to break.
Most mechanics won't touch it.


If I don't buy it today, I'll post a link to the ad.

I appreciate your input and encouragement. Thanks.
No sweat.

There is a very nice Primato also available right here in Mpls.

$400 more expensive, but a very nice teal color.

I wouldn't worry for an instant about the Ergos.

Vecchios can handle maintenance issues and the Ergos on your prospective purchase are sound.

I would never pass on a Primato over an issue with an Ergo.
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My riding buddy bought the local Primato an hour ago.

Fell in love with the color, as did I.

Same specs, same price range.

Unbelievable condition.

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I believe the one that you are going after is a forum member's bike, perhaps you can get a bf'er discount.
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Apparently, they could be had in the blue or the red. Have seen the blue in photos; you are right.

Completed some wiring repair to my Triumph TR-6, which has been neglected all summer while I painted the house. That was good, now it'll run nice.
Went for an hour ride on the Carlton Raleigh Int'l. The cold air bit my lungs (45 degrees F.)
Felt real good to ride.
Thought about how much the Raleigh frame resembles the Primato frame, both 56cm, nearly identical shapes. Do I need another nearly identical bike?
If I go to see the Primato, I will have to buy it. Still sitting on the fence. Thanks for your words, Gomango.
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