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Old 12-06-12, 04:28 AM
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Appraisal & Inquiry - Is it worth it?

Update 12/7/12 - 2 bike post that has my serious attention of purchasing, would like some opinions please.
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Hello all, New guy in town, looking to buy my first road bike.

I will be posting several craigslist post to get a feel of what the bike community thoughts are.

Please always scroll down for the latest post as this post (OP) will not be updated / edited with new CL postings.

Please state your opinion on the bike (if any) and one of the following answers:

PASS: Not worth the cost and/or Rip Off
PASS:Low End Model
PASS: Not enough Detail or Misinformation

Approve: Bike and price IS Fair
Approve: Mid-to High Quality Bike, a bit pricy worth Negotiating

BUY: It's a STEAL (Great quality bike/part and CHEAP!)
Buy: A Diamond in the ruff - worth the cost
Buy: Mid-High end qualirt, reasonable/fair price, worth negotiating

Or add your own.

I know absolutely nothing about bikes parts, so I don't know if Shimano 200, 600, 700 are good or bad, etc...

Quick info on me
5'10 140lbs
using bike to commute from home to gym (10 mile round trip)
Critical Mass
Bike Bar Crawl
Exercising Tues Thurs and Sun
seeking Road Bike
Night rider

Budget - Max $500
Ideally 200-300
the other 100-200 is for helmet, lights, and any misc touch up, tune up, or surprise I may run into.
I seemed to favor old bikes (Miyata, Bianchi, Puch) aswell as Specialized.. I haven't seen any Schwinn that impressed me at all.


Lastly, and optional - if you think the bike is bad or cheap parts based on the info or pic - please let me know, POINT IT OUT TO ME so I can Learn, why it's Bad!
Same goes if the bike is good, GREAT, MUST BUY - tell me why!!!! Be detailed if you can. I want to learn what makes it good!

Thank You!

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Bike Post #1:https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3458785059.html

Visually - it's gorgeous, seems well taken care of, lots of detail pic.
I wonder if I can talk him down to $300

thoughts?

Please QUOTE so I know which Bike you are replying to. Thank you

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Old 12-06-12, 04:41 AM
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Bike Post #2: https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3403759620.html

Not much detail or pics to go by, First time seeing this brand, 2005, so it's modern
worth negotating? if so, to what or Pass and wait for something better? (mind you, im in no hurry to buy - I may talk like as if I will buy if approved, but chances are, I won't - with the holidays around the corner - I assume, those looking for extra cash will be busting out some very nice bikes worth snatching up at a great desperate deal.

Please QUOTE so I know which Bike you are replying to. Thank you

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Old 12-06-12, 04:48 AM
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Bike Post #3: https://houston.craigslist.org/bid/3431095372.html

thoughts?

Please QUOTE so I know which Bike you are replying to. Thank you
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Bike Post #4: https://houston.craigslist.org/bid/3410185530.html

Some Rust.. I notice the chain is rusty, will this have hidden suprise?? Is a rusty chain an indication of poor maintenance on the owner?


Please QUOTE so I know which Bike you are replying to. Thank you

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Old 12-06-12, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Noverbiker View Post
Bike Post #2: https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3403759620.html

Not much detail or pics to go by, First time seeing this brand, 2005, so it's modern
worth negotating? if so, to what or Pass and wait for something better? (mind you, im in no hurry to buy - I may talk like as if I will buy if approved, but chances are, I won't - with the holidays around the corner - I assume, those looking for extra cash will be busting out some very nice bikes worth snatching up at a great desperate deal.


Please QUOTE so I know which Bike you are replying to. Thank you
At that price, just buy a new one:

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...e_record_x.htm

Bikes direct has similarly equipped bikes under 400$. For a used one, I would expect pricing to be in the 2/300 range.

A general note: You have a real variety of sizes here. I would figure out what size fits and narrow your search based on that.
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The answers you seek will fill volumes, in my opinion.

Why don't you just take the time to learn about Vintage Bicycle Quality and then learn a bit more about Vintage Bicycle Value, rather than hope to get all of the answers you seek. There is no short cut to finding the information that you seek, in my opinion.

On that note, welcome to the Bike Forums and best of luck with your new interest.
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You won't get much help on 2004 bikes here, try over in Roadbikes maybe.

Posts that basically ask "tell me all there is to know about bicycles" often die without much response. You're asking for too much help all at once.

Also, colored font, all bolded, all CAPs - those just turn many people off.

You are posting bikes from 52 cm to 58 cm, which suggests you don't know what size bike you need. Critical to figure that out first.

So, in the end, you've posted two vintage bikes, they both look complete, one is lugged steel and the other is bonded aluminum, neither is a great bargain, either will be a decent ride after necessary servicing, which do you prefer? Do some reading here on Raleigh Technium bikes, and on Fuji bikes. Read Sheldon Brown's site. Read randyjawa's site.

On servicing, remember an old bike will often/usually need it. For typical cost of services at a reasonably-priced bike shop: https://www.citybikes.coop/services/ So if you pay the bike shop to do everything add $100-120 or, with new tires, $160-180 to your cost.
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My eyes hurt now. The Specialized looks like maybe the best buy but it seems all three bikes are different sizes what size do you need?
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My size will b 54-56cm - Reason I am posting different size isn't the ones I am picking to buy right away. Even though I have the money now, I may not purchase any bike until after the 15th of this month. Most likely, or hopefully until the end of the year, assuming someone desperate for cash will be selling a very nice bike.

This thread is created mostly for me to try and see / understand what you guys see in those bikes. Based on pics, how you were able to determine the parts are low/high quality, etc.
The only legit bike, I would have been interested in those list is the first one, since it is in my size and apparently modern.

I am not here trying to go "hey, is this a good bike? should I buy this now?" - the Pass/Approve/Buy allows me to know what's good/bad and I can than go back to that post and study it. Maybe even follow up with a question if you didn't follow with my optional section.

Also, all those post, I did look up for review for that brand/model - I notice, I will find info mostly on the framework but not on the component that those are dealbreakers it seems. When it comes to components, I have no starting point to learn what are good/bad parts and if the parts are in good/bad condition.

WRK101 - I was referred here from the Introduction to post my CL findings since this is also a Appraisal and Inquiry.
Any good place to start about learning shifting technology?

Rand - ty for the links

I will continue posting new links - hopefully you guys will come back and help me along the ways. Remember, I have no intention to buy. Majority of the ones I am posting is for learning and evaluating bikes. Of course I will throw in some legit bikes that I hope it gets a BUY - It's a Steal that is in my size.

I hope I made sense and thanks again in advance.

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Holy ****, Rand, that link is PERFECT! Breaks down parts, quality, etc!
that needs to be sticked for other new first time riders looking to buy a bike but dont know what makes it good and WHY it makes it good!

Time to begin reading, but before I start - another CL that catches my attention, whats the verdict

Bike Post #4
https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3459040494.html

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Buy this one:

https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3411289547.html



The sante parts are rather collectible and you're more or less guaranteed to be the only guy at critical mass riding sante.

What was wrong with the answers you got in this thread?- https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...te-these-finds

And why are you so beholden to the [B] tag?
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I am not in a rush to purchase a bike. >.<

Also, I have seen that bike relisted on CL for 2 weeks now.
the way he describes it in his post -


"The frame has some paint chips.... And rust..."

catches my attention and leads me to believe there are more issues. Than again, I am a total noob, but personally, that was a red flag for me + constantly being reposted.
I believe goods bikes don't get reposted

Color / Bold - Something I tend to do in most forum - habit

Nothing wrong with those bikes on that post - my intention isnt to buy one ASAP though. But that doesnt mean I should hold off from posting some CL find and Learn from it.

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I believe goods bikes don't get reposted
Ah, you believe falsely. That bike is one of those "diamonds in the rough". The $300 isn't the best price, but that just means you can offer $200 and he won't punch you in the face This is where that knowledge comes in, maybe nobody else sees it, but to these eyes, there's a deal waiting to happen there.

Seriously though, I don't know if it's a matter of bicycles in an oil town, but the pricing on the Houston craigslist is some of the most ambitious I've seen in the country. The other thing to remember about craigslist is that any amazing deals are up for a matter of hours, so as you scour back in time, all that you'll find are the ads with crazy pricing.
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Toche.
From reading mytenspeeds.com link from Rand - I just learned that paint chipping can be caused by a bent on the frame?
If true, if this bike frame is bent, how do I go about fixing it or what additional cost will that run me?

Tires - as a noob, I assume it looks worned out - cost of replacement?

Lastly, in general - is rust an issue thing to deal with or can rust be a bad thing for buyers in general?
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After reading mytenspeeds.com site - I understand a lot of the terms/parts/locations than I did few hours ago.

I don't think I would like a downtube shifter. I would prefer to keep my hands on the handlebar at all times.

I think one of my concerns now is - as a guy who never owned a bike before, I am drawn to PUCH, Miyata, Bianchi, Peugeot, Specialized and some Trek.

Still havent seen a Schwinn that I found attractive. Or a Raliegh <sp>

Regardless, it seems my taste, is the older bikes - Now I am concern of ending up buying a bike with a lot of issues, or has the old school down shifters.
So where should I start - is my initial thought.
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based on initial posts, i think OP is looking for something like this


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Now I am concern of ending up buying a bike with a lot of issues, or has the old school down shifters.
Find, but don't buy immediately, a bike you like. Send good pictures to this forum (full square on drive side, close ups of drops and tube intersections and any obvious damage). Tell us how much and wait for the answers. Anything short of that is wasting your time, our time and will likely end up in missing the opportunity to buy the bike anyway. And that last point is important.

You need to strike when the iron is hot or a guy like me, or anyone else here, will beat you to the punch. I am not fooling with this comment. Good deals are snapped up in less time than it will take you to think it over while asking questions!
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based on initial posts, i think OP is looking for something like this

Only if I was dressed as Beetlejuice, Zombie Heath Ledger Joker or classic cartoony Joker - I would soo ride that bike!
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Pretty clean.... 56cm https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3421990181.html
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check this one out:
https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3324844289.html
Get rid of the bike lock and kick stand and you've got a great start. You'll also need to do some hole punching and lacing of the saddle to get it back in shape. Looks pretty original...
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Only if I was dressed as Beetlejuice, Zombie Heath Ledger Joker or classic cartoony Joker - I would soo ride that bike!
haha awesome.. i was just teasing based on your purple and green text
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haha awesome.. i was just teasing based on your purple and green text
haha didnt realize that - I was a bit confused when you mentioned, based on OP post.. now I get it~ Toche


@anixi - nice find - my concern is part replacing, how much will all that run me, therefor I must talk him down on the price.
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https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3459491990.html

https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3458785059.html

2 bikes I am considering buying ATM if any of them agree to $300

I need opinions please.


Another one just found

https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3414800351.html

Don't know much about Hybrid.

My Bike Useage will conssit of:

3x week biking from apt to gym (10miles round trip)
2x week - cardio exercise

when possible, bar crawl every 2 weeks

critical mass if possible

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The red specialized is your size, that's the only one of the three that I would consider if I were you. Is your search limited to brake/shift levers combined? These are known as "brifters" on this forum. If you're only interested in that style and not in the shift levers on the down tube (the slanting tube running from the front to the cranks) let us know. We're happy to help you spend your money!

edit: the hybrid isn't really one that will appeal to the majority of the forum. If you purchase it you may re-consider and opt to have it converted to drop bars later. That conversion will cost you big bucks. Drop bars are far superior for your 2x/week cardio and will translate to a more serious usage in future.

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