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1983 Miyata 610

Old 01-23-13, 01:53 PM
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1983 Miyata 610

I'm looking at a 1983 Miyata 610 that I believe is 100% original (he has the original stem and wheels and are in good shape.) The size is 58cm, he is the 2nd owner and has taken pretty good care of it as far as I can tell. He has said that the paint looks better in person and I agree that the lighting probably brought out the flaws in the picture. From what I have found out, they switched to cantilever brakes during 1983 making this more desirable but still had the double butted tubing as opposed to the more sought after triple butted tubing. I'm interested in paying fair market value and I live in a pretty hot market. What do you think it's worth?



Both sets of wheels go with the bike. Not sure what the quality of the 2nd set of wheels is.

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Old 01-23-13, 02:16 PM
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Fully tuned and ready to go, maybe $250-300 in a hot market? Extra wheels a bonus, could always sell if you don't need them.

I've sold Miyata 615GT touring models in the $275 range fully reworked.
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I would put value higher. Vintage touring bikes of that series, with canti brakes, can bring $350 to $400 in ready to ride condition. Paint looks great, fenders are a plus, ditto extra set of wheels (if they are decent, they are worth at least $50).
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Wow! Didn't know the 615 was so desirable. I have two, one transformed into a frankebike snow rider the other serves as a parts bike.
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
I would put value higher. Vintage touring bikes of that series, with canti brakes, can bring $350 to $400 in ready to ride condition. Paint looks great, fenders are a plus, ditto extra set of wheels (if they are decent, they are worth at least $50).
+1 I would say $350 easy, $400 no problem with a little patience.
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Just reread your original post. My figures do not include the value of the extra wheelset, and mine are for a good, solid market (where I live), but not a hot market.

I have sold quite a few touring bikes in the last few years. My target price is $400 for the good ones, in ready to ride condition. Now the top of the line models, like the Miyata 1000, Trek 720, and a few others, will bring more. The mid grade ones, $400 is it.


Depending on how hot your market is, I would just go up from there.
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So, a 1986 Miyata 610 also just popped up for sale in really good condition. Is it worth the extra 100-150 dollars to go from the '83 to the '86 (and a significant drive)? The differences I *think* are better fork, triple butted frame, and 700c wheels. Any cons other than I think I like the white a little better and it seems to be somewhat rare?
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This is a really cool site for catalogs on the Miyata's; see: https://www.miyatacatalogs.com/2007/1...alog-1981.html Just click on your year and scan down. If you compare the picture and spec'd parts to yours you'll find out quickly how original it is. Right off the bat the handlebars and stem are not original, if you want to restore it you could locate originals for not a whole lot of cash. Getting the bike back closer to original condition would make the bike worth more if you plan on flipping it.

I own 2 Miyata's myself, my first one I bought new in 87 a Team model, then about 8 years later I found a nice condition used 88 Miyata 712 at a garage sale. Personally I think the models they made with the splined triple butted tubing was the best tubeset made back then by anyone.

I too think the 612 is probably worth around $400 depending on condition.
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Miyata was unique in that they rolled their own tubing, as well as selling said tubing to companies like Univega. Hard to go wrong with any of their touring line. I wouldn't buy any bike for my personal use based on rarity - I'd buy the one that fit me best. Fit is your most important consideration, everything else follows.

If you're looking at a true touring bike, weight of the tubing - and whether it's single/double/triple butted etc. - is not as much a consideration as you might think. Durability trumps weight, or the lack thereof, unless you're not using it for touring but instead as a commuter etc. (I commuted on two C-dale touring bikes over 20+ years.)

Having plenty of braze-ons, three water bottle mounts, long chainstays, cantis, plenty of clearance for wide tires & fenders - that's where the interest lies for a true touring bike.
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Not interested in flipping. I'm looking for a do-it-all sport touring bike that I can ride and enjoy for the next 20 years. I'm leaning toward the '83 largely because the '86 is SO nice and original that I would feel bad riding on gravel or getting it dirty which is something I want to do. Does that sound bizarre? Both are the same size.
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Not bizarre at all. Any bike will eventually get scars, and all bikes are made to be ridden, so sometimes it's best not to start with a pristine example for a bike that will get heavy use. It takes a little tension out of riding if you don't fuss. If the '83 meets your needs and budget, go for it. You won't be disappointed.
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Originally Posted by TweedleDee View Post
Not interested in flipping. I'm looking for a do-it-all sport touring bike that I can ride and enjoy for the next 20 years. I'm leaning toward the '83 largely because the '86 is SO nice and original that I would feel bad riding on gravel or getting it dirty which is something I want to do. Does that sound bizarre? Both are the same size.
Not bizarre at all. I did that! I went to England in 07 and visited the Mercian factory/shop and ordered a Mercian Vincitore Special with the intent on touring with it and was built to that standard. When I got 3 months later it was too nice to tour on, I was afraid of the same thing you were afraid of. Then by luck about 4 years later I ran into a mint condition low mileage 85 Schwinn Le Tour Luxe, now that is the bike I tour on instead of the Mercian. So I get you man. Though now I kind of wish I hadn't spent the money on the Mercian, but it is a beautiful bike and rides fantastic, I'm just a tightwad and find myself on occasion wishing I hadn't done it...how's that for bizarre?

By the way, 3 sets of braze ons for water bottles is rare on older touring bikes, but Minoura makes various adapters that you can use to attach a third or even more water bottles; they have frame model that I bought for the Schwinn (I ordered 3 sets of water bosses for the Mercian), this bracket allows me to mount a third bottle on the underside of the down tube. Other brackets Minoura makes allows someone to attach a water bottle cage to the bars, and as many as two cages to the rear seat post.
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