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Old 01-23-13, 06:28 PM
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Received a trade offer for my 86 Team Fuji. is it worth it?

I recently picked up my 86 Team Fuji for $300. The only downside was that I had to spend 3 hours each way and used $30 in gas. Immediately during the test ride of the bike I realized that it was far too small for me. What I had hoped to be a 58cm bike ended up being what Fuji considered to be a 55cm (I measured at 56x54.5cm c-c). I wasn't going to leave empty handed though. I felt the bike was a good enough deal that I could easily get my money back in the Atlanta market, maybe even make a little to recoup my time spent if I held onto it until springtime.

Well, I ended up throwing a 125mm stem on it and have been riding it around a good bit and love the bike but I just feel a bit cramped on it, so I went ahead and threw it up on craigslist with a pretty high price (more than I would expect to get for the bike) and also listed at the bottom of the add that I would be interested in other bikes in the 58-60cm range. Surprisingly enough I recieved a few cool trade offers including an 1980 Motobecan Team Champion (which the owner seeming changed his mind on unfortunately ), a repainted Benotto which was still a bit small, and most recently this early 90's Specialized Allez Comp. It looks to be a 58cm as the owner describes and is equipped with shimano 105 7spd which although not near as attractive as the Suntour Sprint I feel I would enjoy more as a rider. The Specialized is in better shape cosmetically than the Fuji as well. (Fuji has small spots of surface rust. some bubbling of the paint on the tt cable guides. some pitting in the chrome on the chainstay. a few scrapes and rubs.) Does this seem like a fair trade. Might I be looking to recieve money on top of the deal? Open to any opinions!

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The Fuji (note: picture shows none of the cosmetic blemishes)


as being ridden lol




ps. I hate red and love the yellow blue. lol
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I would need cash to complete that deal. The Specialized is a 105 bike, what is the group on the Fuji? Kind of looks like Superbe Pro. If so, nope.

I don't do trades, I will take trade-ins (projects). I figure I am a good enough shopper (and patient enough) that I can find a bike for myself at wholesale, and I can sell a good bike at or near retail. So I would much prefer selling my bike, taking the cash, and using just a portion of it to buy my next bike.

I don't sell bikes with rust issues. I take the time to correct them, as rust scares buyers, and hurts the price. Without seeing the bike in person, not sure how that would enter into the equation.

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I normally agree with Thrifty Bill on values, but he must get major prices for Fujis in the Mountains of Carolina that better NYC and Ann Arbor. I sold the older but fully reconditioned Team Fuji below for $215 last summer and missed out on one in NNJ identical to yours in A1 condition priced at $150 with extras. The levers were changed to what's shown at the buyer's request. Your wheels are newer, so maybe try for $50 cash on top.

Ride the Allez and if you like it, make the deal.

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I would need cash to complete that deal. The Specialized is a 105 bike, what is the group on the Fuji? Kind of looks like Superbe Pro. If so, nope.

I don't do trades, I will take trade-ins (projects). I figure I am a good enough shopper (and patient enough) that I can find a bike for myself at wholesale, and I can sell a good bike at or near retail. So I would much prefer selling my bike, taking the cash, and using just a portion of it to buy my next bike.

I don't sell bikes with rust issues. I take the time to correct them, as rust scares buyers, and hurts the price. Without seeing the bike in person, not sure how that would enter into the equation.
The fuji is suntour sprint.

I usually do sell and then buy below market value, but right now this is my only road bike that is together, and I can't quite afford to put together any of my other bikes at the moment so a straight trade makes sense to me as I don't want to be without a bike. lol

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I normally agree with Thrifty Bill on values, but he must get major prices for Fujis in the Mountains of Carolina that better NYC and Ann Arbor. I sold the older but fully reconditioned Team Fuji below for $215 last summer and missed out on one in NNJ identical to yours in A1 condition priced at $150 with extras. The levers were changed to what's shown at the buyer's request. Your wheels are newer, so maybe try for $50 cash on top.

Ride the Allez and if you like it, make the deal.

fwiw, based on the response I've received with it at it's current price (very high) I don't think I'll have any trouble getting back cost of bike+gas with a little bit of patience.

I'll have to get back in touch with seller in regards to a +cash deal.

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+1 I could not get near the asking price for the Team Fuji, but I am not in Atlanta either. I'm still selling retail, buying wholesale, so trades, no thanks. Sprint is pretty good too, better than 105 IMHO. That era 105 runs great, but looks very pedestrian.

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Suntour Sprint are very nice components. I would take Sprint over 105 any day.

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+1 I could not get near the asking price for the Team Fuji, but I am not in Atlanta either. I'm still selling retail, buying wholesale, so trades, no thanks. Sprint is pretty good too, better than 105 IMHO. That era 105 runs great, but looks very pedestrian.
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I'd keep the fuji solely because you're pretty much guaranteed to be the only guy on one. They sold a LOT of those Allez'.
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If you're looking for a rider and the specialized is your size think about the trade. I would also ask for +$50 since the other party is interested in your bike.

I'm digging the Fuji, but I don't think you can get $330 out of it. Red Allezes always seem to be in demand, so you might do better if you sell that.
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Knowing what I know about the Specialized ride quality, I would make the trade. The Specialized is your size and in better condition, cosmetically. That might suggest better condition mechanically, a $ saver to take into consideration. As for the 105 stuff, I, personally, love the way 105 works and, my guess would be, the 105 stoppers are much better than the ones on the Fuji. So...

I would make the trade, straight across or just out and out buy the Specialized - you will not be disappointed with ride quality. Then you can exercise patience, sell the Fuji at another time, and perhaps make the dollar or two you were hoping for.
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I'd take the trade too. The most important thing is that you get a bicycle that fits. That's not worth quibbling over a few dollars. Sure Sprint may look nicer but 105SC works so much better. You're getting a lot of upgrades you don't have with Sprint (i.e. freehub, an extra cog, HyperGlide, SuperGlide, indexing and SLR dual pivot brakes). Then the frame itself has better CrMo forks and stays versus Valite. The fit, features and better condtion makes it a no brainer, in my opinion. In fact, if I were the Specialized's owner, I'd be asking you to sweeten the deal with a little extra cash.
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Maybe my memory is hazy, but I remember Suntour Sprint as being on around the same level as 105 and similarly priced. I never used Sprint, though I did have the 105 7 sp and thought it was decent enough stuff...the indexing was finicky, but I've heard modern housing fixes that. They seem like similar value bikes to me...and any difference is probably made up by condition improvement.

I'd swap for a bike that fit better.
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I have been reluctant to comment thus far but I tend to agree with the trade. True the Fuji may be a nicer bike, but I think overall the bikes are close enough in quality (sprint is pretty equal to 105 IMHO) especially 20+ years after each was built. I would have a hard time letting that Fuji go simply because it looks very cool, and the odds of getting another nice Fuji of the era are slim.

That being said at the end of the day you will both walk away with a bike that fits better and you are likely to enjoy more. And who knows you could end up with a new riding buddy when the dust settles.

You could always make trade for a day or weekend agreement and ride the bike see if you like it.


BTW why is the Fuji your only rideable road bike? Don't you have a sexxy matte black Giro?
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Thanks again to everyone who has responded. The allez owner is willing to put money one top, more than I expected. I let him know that I wouldn't need as much as he offered to be happy and suggested that we set up a date to compare bikes a go from there. Looking forward to check it out. Should I get a little money out of the deal, I have plans to swap a 7700 crank and rd over to get rid of the ugly 105. Money would go towards some 9 speed downtube shifters!

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I have been reluctant to comment thus far but I tend to agree with the trade. True the Fuji may be a nicer bike, but I think overall the bikes are close enough in quality (sprint is pretty equal to 105 IMHO) especially 20+ years after each was built. I would have a hard time letting that Fuji go simply because it looks very cool, and the odds of getting another nice Fuji of the era are slim.

That being said at the end of the day you will both walk away with a bike that fits better and you are likely to enjoy more. And who knows you could end up with a new riding buddy when the dust settles.

You could always make trade for a day or weekend agreement and ride the bike see if you like it.


BTW why is the Fuji your only rideable road bike? Don't you have a sexxy matte black Giro?
I ended up selling the Giro to help fund another build. I made out really well on the deal, but I regret that one. haha
The bike that the money went into has been my FAVORITE bike to date. Hate that I broke it. I have a mid 90's gt edge aero and generic nashbar frame in the garage waiting to be built up, but they are missing a few key parts (shifters, cables, wheels)

Will I ever find another Fuji as cool as this? Who knows, but I usually come across something that piques my interest before too long.
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With cash to boot, you did fine!
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Will a DA rd work with that shifter? I'll have to read up on my 7700 but you may need a different BB too. Personally I always liked that version of 105 but then again I like Sante and Ole too.

Too bad about the Giro I wish I had known it was for sale.
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Will a DA rd work with that shifter? I'll have to read up on my 7700 but you may need a different BB too. Personally I always liked that version of 105 but then again I like Sante and Ole too.

Too bad about the Giro I wish I had known it was for sale.
I'd be swapping to modern 9spd downtube shifters. I have the rd, crank, and bb laying around in my parts bin right now. I think I may even have a 6500 fd laying around too. It'd just be a matter of getting the shifters and swapping everything over!
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The Sprint gruppo was 1 step below Superbe Pro. Sprint components were produced to compete with 600/Ultegra. The Sprint 9000 RD were indexed while the early Sprint RDs weren't. However, I have an early Sprint and it index shifts great with the Sprint/Superbe Pro index DT shifters. I have bikes with 105, Sprint, Sprint 9000 and 600/Ultegra. In my opinion it is a toss-up between Sprint 9000 and 600/Ultegra as the best. I don't think 105 comes close even to the old Sprint.

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Maybe my memory is hazy, but I remember Suntour Sprint as being on around the same level as 105 and similarly priced. I never used Sprint, though I did have the 105 7 sp and thought it was decent enough stuff...the indexing was finicky, but I've heard modern housing fixes that. They seem like similar value bikes to me...and any difference is probably made up by condition improvement.

I'd swap for a bike that fit better.
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That's interesting - I didn't think 105 was very different from 600 tricolor in performance. Honestly, I doubt that anyone could tell them apart blind folded. Dura Ace was different.
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That's interesting - I didn't think 105 was very different from 600 tricolor in performance. Honestly, I doubt that anyone could tell them apart blind folded. Dura Ace was different.
Not having really owned any of them but building and test riding alot of them, I never really saw much difference. They all three worked well, the fit and finish was nice but DA might have been lightest 600 just lighter than 105. However the older DA rds didn't play well with the other shifters.
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The sprint stuff was pretty nice. They finally figured out how to make tHe brakes work.
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I have 105 on a couple bikes, 600 tri-color on a couple and Dura Ace. The 105s are a bit tricky to get them to work smoothly and consistent in index mode. I have no problems with 600 and the DA are always smooth shifting.

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That's interesting - I didn't think 105 was very different from 600 tricolor in performance. Honestly, I doubt that anyone could tell them apart blind folded. Dura Ace was different.
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