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Narhay 02-06-13 04:57 PM

Miele Condor
 
http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a79371b.jpg

Looks like shimano 600 components...thoughts? New tires, saddle, bar tape, cables and housing and a thorough overhaul would be in store.

FastJake 02-06-13 06:09 PM

Could be a nice bike, but was obviously used as someone's commuter/beater. Check for rust, stuck stem/seatpost and adjust the price down accordingly for poor/fair condition.

This looks like Shimano 600 6300 generation, so pre-tri-color. Not as nice as 6400. Maybe $100-150 in its current state.

T-Mar 02-06-13 06:11 PM

The subject bicycle appears to be a 1987 Miele Condor. It was a road/sport model, 3rd from the bottom of the line. THe 600 derailleurs are probably the similar looking Light Action derailleurs, which were OEM. Crankset is an SR SXC, while the brakes should be Dia-Compe 400 and the wheels were spec'd as Ambrosio Elite 700C rims laced to Sansin hubs. However, doen't get too depressed by mainly upper entry level components,as they reside on a frame with an Ishiwata 022 main triangle and CrMo fork.

This one is is in rough condition. In addition to the noted areas, the lever hoods are missing, the pedals have been replaced with cheap resin units and the chainrings also appear to be new. Let's hope they replaced the cahin and freewheel at the same time but it looks questionable. I hope the bearings are OK, as this one has seen a lot of use.

I'd appreciate the serial number, which should be near the bottom of the seat tube, often on the back side. TIA.

Narhay 02-06-13 06:28 PM

Thank you to you both for the info. I have not purchased this one just yet...I was waiting to see what you guys thought if it were going to be worthwhile. The price is a bit high at $100 as is and I am not sure if there would be anything left on the bone once it is all said and done.

T Mar, you step into nearly all my threads with very exacting info. For that, I thank you.

rjhammett 02-06-13 11:46 PM

I picked up my '87 Miele Condor about a year ago for $160. It is in excellent condition. Mine has a few different components than T-Mar mentioned. Mine has a Sugino VP130 crankset, Suntour Sprint FD, RD and Shifters, MKS RX-1 pedals (very nice pedals). The brake calipers and levers are Miele badged.

My Miele is pretty nice, good but not great. I believe Miele's are a bit underrated. It is setup in my basement as my winter trainer. As a trainer, I ride mine nearly every day.

T-Mar 02-07-13 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 15245251)
Thank you to you both for the info. I have not purchased this one just yet...I was waiting to see what you guys thought if it were going to be worthwhile. The price is a bit high at $100 as is and I am not sure if there would be anything left on the bone once it is all said and done.

T Mar, you step into nearly all my threads with very exacting info. For that, I thank you.

You're located in probably the 2nd hottest bicycle market in Canada. I would think that in goood riding condition this one would be worth around $250 in that market, for that small a frame, provided the paint is not too rough. Of course, it all comes down to how much you'll have to invest.

This ones needs to be inspected really closely, especially with respect to the bearings. Remove the chain from the cranks and spin it by hand. That way you'll get a better feel for the bearing and race conditions. Same thing with the wheels. Remove them and spin the axle with your fingers. While the front wheel is out, rotate the headset bearings, as the added mass of the front wheel tends to smooth the rotation. Don't forget to check that the post and stem aren't siezed. Of course, even if everything is good mechanically, the return can be limited if the paint is really rough. Most buyers are more sensitive to that than the mechanical condition, so that may be the limiting factor and it's really hard to get a accurate reading of the finish via the picture.

T-Mar 02-07-13 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by rjhammett (Post 15246133)
I picked up my '87 Miele Condor about a year ago for $160. It is in excellent condition. Mine has a few different components than T-Mar mentioned. Mine has a Sugino VP130 crankset, Suntour Sprint FD, RD and Shifters, MKS RX-1 pedals (very nice pedals). The brake calipers and levers are Miele badged.

My Miele is pretty nice, good but not great. I believe Miele's are a bit underrated. It is setup in my basement as my winter trainer. As a trainer, I ride mine nearly every day.

That certainly doesn't sound like a 1987 Condor. I can imagine the crankset, as it's the right level but not those Sprint derailleurs. They're too upscale and almost certainly replacements. The 1986 Condor used SunTour ARx, the 1987 Condor used Shimano Light Action and it was dropped from the lineup in 1988. I'd appreciate some photos and the serial number. If it's one of the earlier Condors, it may be a Japanese frame and have the serial number in an alternate location.

Narhay 02-07-13 09:58 AM

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...psf40b0f34.jpg

I passed on this one...the seller sent me this photo. The paint looks much better from afar in a small picture than up close. Still has some nice lugs.

T-Mar 02-07-13 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 15247107)
...I passed on this one...the seller sent me this photo. The paint looks much better from afar in a small picture than up close. Still has some nice lugs.

Agreed, that's very rough. You'd have to be able to get it for the value of the parts and I suspect that even some of them may be beyond use.

fiataccompli 02-07-13 02:02 PM

tough crowd...not even worth a serious $50-75 offer? As a bike (ie, not a collector's item, not the starting point of a restoration project or flip), if it's functional you'd think it'd be worth something (though perhaps not something that the OP cares for)...so, in a way at the lower end of the condition spectrum, you'd think a less valuable model could be worth the same or more than a higher end bike, or something like that.

zukahn1 02-07-13 02:23 PM

This looks like it was ounce a great bike in prime condition it woul be worth $300 yet this one is far fromn that. It has that wore out road to hell and back look meaning most of the parts would need to be replaced and the frame is iffy. Just pass on this bike it is more trouble than its worth at any price.

rjhammett 02-07-13 07:20 PM

T-Mar, you were the one that thought my bike was an '87. See the link: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...g-Orange-Miele




Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 15246583)
That certainly doesn't sound like a 1987 Condor. I can imagine the crankset, as it's the right level but not those Sprint derailleurs. They're too upscale and almost certainly replacements. The 1986 Condor used SunTour ARx, the 1987 Condor used Shimano Light Action and it was dropped from the lineup in 1988. I'd appreciate some photos and the serial number. If it's one of the earlier Condors, it may be a Japanese frame and have the serial number in an alternate location.


T-Mar 02-08-13 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by rjhammett (Post 15249205)
T-Mar, you were the one that thought my bike was an '87. See the link: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...g-Orange-Miele

Yes, it is a 1987. You didn't mention the upgraded components in your previous post, hence my scepticism. It's pretty hard for me to keep track of and remember all the bicycles I've identified for forum members. It's literally in the thousnads.

rjhammett 02-08-13 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 15250413)
Yes, it is a 1987. You didn't mention the upgraded components in your previous post, hence my scepticism. It's pretty hard for me to keep track of and remember all the bicycles I've identified for forum members. It's literally in the thousnads.

We all appreciate your vast knowledge of bikes. Thanks.


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