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'85 Miyata 912. Overpriced?

Old 03-08-13, 10:35 PM
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'85 Miyata 912. Overpriced?

Going to go meet with this seller tomorrow. He says its an '85 Miyata 912 and is asking $300. The bike seems to be an old top of the line Miyata. It has its original Shimano 600 groupset and a lugged steel frame. I'm a little suspicious because some of the pictures make it seem like the bike has a suicide levers which as far as I know were never on any 912 during the 80s. Are these bikes any good?

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Old 03-09-13, 01:38 AM
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The 912 is a fine bike. If it fits you, ride it and enjoy it. I have an '86 912 and it does not have suicide levers on it, and I strongly suspect they've been added to the one you're looking at. The rest of it looks good, though, so I wouldn't let them scare me away if the rest of it is authentic.
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
The 912 is a fine bike. If it fits you, ride it and enjoy it. I have an '86 912 and it does not have suicide levers on it, and I strongly suspect they've been added to the one you're looking at. The rest of it looks good, though, so I wouldn't let them scare me away if the rest of it is authentic.
+1 Looks like a properly priced rider! good luck!
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Old 03-09-13, 04:18 AM
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I would not say that this is overpriced. Quality frame set (I have one, though only rode it a bit before stashing it when I recently moved), and condition looks good. 600 stuff is sharp.
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I am not a Miyata expert but if OddJob says it is OK thats good enough for me. I think the price looks OK it isn't a fabulous deal but OK for what looks like a ready to ride bike. Where are you? If you in Helena MT. or Crete NE. under 2ft of snow you might be able to get a better price maybe $250, if your in Hollywood CA. it is likely gone.

It does have Safety Levers on it. Most likely some previous owner wanted them. If I bought it I would swap them out for a Tektro lever.



It looks nice and clean. Does this fit you?



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Old 03-09-13, 06:48 AM
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Two flat tires = discount. The seller is too lazy to even air up the tires. I buy a lot of bikes with flat tires, always at a discount. Flats eliminate quite a few potential buyers.

Good luck finding toe clips to fit those pedals. The 600 pedals are desirable, but require a toe clip to be functional. Toe clips are out there on fleecebay, but they sometimes go high.

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Old 03-09-13, 07:23 AM
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The subject bicycle is a 1985 Miyata 912. This was a very fine, upper mid-range model for the period. Miyata were arguably the beat mass volume manufacturers during this era.

However, the bicycle does have some issues. As noted, the original levers have bee replaced. The New 600EX pedals are missing their toe clips and straps. Unfortunately, the clips are clips are dedicated and replacements are getting hard to find and are often expensive, so you may want to factor in the cost of replacement pedals.

The drivetrain shows signs of a heavy use. The inner chainring is due for replacement. This means the chain and rear cogs probably require replacement too. I'm not sure if this year uses a freewheel or cassette and the catalog specs are unclear. If it's a freewheel it's no issue, as six speed HyperGlide freewheels are plentiful and inexpensive and the HyperGlide is no brainer upgrade for the improved shifting. However, if it's a cassette the required Uniglide style are getting hard and expensive to find. A modern HyperGlide style cassette can be modified fairly easily for all but the theaded outer cog. The other alternatives are to transplant a HyperGlide body, replace the hub or the whole wheel.

While I'm a big fan of Miyata this one has enough issues to make me weary. I'd have no problem with the asking price, were it in good mechanical condition but this one has enough signs that I'd suspicious of the overall wear and tear. If it uses a cassette, I wouldn't go over $150, even in a relatively hot market.
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Old 03-09-13, 07:50 AM
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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Despite the always spot on analyses from Professors T-Mar and Wrk101, the recent fleecebay "solds" have ranged from $350-$650 with shipping.
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Old 03-09-13, 08:24 AM
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I'm not at all surprised when other members are at odds with my pricing. That is somewhat expected, unless one is intimately familiar with the particular market. However, when I see a bicycle with replacement levers, pedals missing dedicated clips, worn chainrings, a dirty drivetrain, flat tires and potentially a Uniglide cassette, it sends up big warning signals with repect to additional labour and parts costs. The best I can do is bring the potential issues to the buyer's attention, at which point he can decide if the price is fair.
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Well, I paid $425 for my '83 Miyata 1200, but it was in very fresh condition...down to the original bar tape. If it had similar issues to this 912 I would have walked away unless I intended to give it a serious make-over and I could have nego. the price down significantly, essentially for the frameset. I would be at $150, as T-Mar says.

On the other hand, that 912 is a tripled butted tube frame and if the color, size and paint condition is just what you are looking for...jump. Just realize you're not done spending money on that bike. Take a close look at the wheelset/rims, make sure those will be useable unless you are ready to pop for new wheels. Getting just what you want in a vintage Miyata is getting harder, more expensive. My 710, Racer and 312 where each under $200 when I picked them up, I don't expect to see those days again.

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Old 03-09-13, 03:38 PM
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what's the trick for telling the inner chainring is worn from that pic? are the teeth skinnier?
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Ready to ride? No. Flat tires, cables are old and wrecked. The obvious signs that this bike needs a complete overhaul.

I like Shimano 600 but that is one of the least desirable generations. I don't know Miyatas and I don't know the tubing on this bike, but I wouldn't touch it for more than $200, even as a keeper. And personally I think this one that sold for $685 is a crazy outlier: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Miyata-...item4ac228cfc9 Unless there is something about these Miyatas that I am missing.
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At the right price, I would be all over that bike. A 912 is a very nice bike. This one is going to need a full rehab, rode hard and hung up wet. At $300 I would pass.

Its a project, do you have the time, tools, aptitude to do the work? If so, and if you are in a hot market, go for it!
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
The subject bicycle is a 1985 Miyata 912. This was a very fine, upper mid-range model for the period. Miyata were arguably the beat mass volume manufacturers during this era.

However, the bicycle does have some issues. As noted, the original levers have bee replaced. The New 600EX pedals are missing their toe clips and straps. Unfortunately, the clips are clips are dedicated and replacements are getting hard to find and are often expensive, so you may want to factor in the cost of replacement pedals.

The drivetrain shows signs of a heavy use. The inner chainring is due for replacement. This means the chain and rear cogs probably require replacement too. I'm not sure if this year uses a freewheel or cassette and the catalog specs are unclear. If it's a freewheel it's no issue, as six speed HyperGlide freewheels are plentiful and inexpensive and the HyperGlide is no brainer upgrade for the improved shifting. However, if it's a cassette the required Uniglide style are getting hard and expensive to find. A modern HyperGlide style cassette can be modified fairly easily for all but the theaded outer cog. The other alternatives are to transplant a HyperGlide body, replace the hub or the whole wheel.

While I'm a big fan of Miyata this one has enough issues to make me weary. I'd have no problem with the asking price, were it in good mechanical condition but this one has enough signs that I'd suspicious of the overall wear and tear. If it uses a cassette, I wouldn't go over $150, even in a relatively hot market.
I'm a big fan of Miyata too, I own a Team since new in 87 and a 88 712 I found in a garage sale around 95. I really like mine a lot, both have the splined triple butted tubing which makes the frame quite a bit stiffer then other steel bikes of the era.

That bike sounds like it needs a lot of work. It is a freewheel unless someone converted it over at some time. Unless you want to restore it back to it's original factory condition you can find pedals pretty cheap brand new and get toe clips and straps cheap too. The inner chainring could be a problem finding with some models, but the freewheels are plentiful and you can get really nice ones too.

I would figure up the cost to get the bike into riding condition, present that to the owner along with how much current ones in good rideable condition sell for and make him an offer with the cost of the parts subtracted. He probably knows he's over priced on it, so he will deal with you if you show him the facts. If he's unwilling to deal then walk away after giving him your phone number in case he changes his mind.

Edit; I'm a bit foggy on the Shimano, I thought the ES was non indexing, but I was reading another web site that said it means indexing. Check with IRD if you want a quality unit or Shimano if you want a lower end unit. Also the larger gapped gearing of 14 to 28t cluster are less expensive then the closer gapped racing clusters. If it's the Uniglide you can find those on E-Bay for around $40 on E-Bay, here's one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...ectorid=229466

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Originally Posted by FrenchFit View Post
Well, I paid $425 for my '83 Miyata 1200, but it was in very fresh condition...down to the original bar tape. If it had similar issues to this 912 I would have walked away unless I intended to give it a serious make-over and I could have nego. the price down significantly, essentially for the frameset. I would be at $150, as T-Mar says.

On the other hand, that 912 is a tripled butted tube frame and if the color, size and paint condition is just what you are looking for...jump. Just realize you're not done spending money on that bike. Take a close look at the wheelset/rims, make sure those will be useable unless you are ready to pop for new wheels. Getting just what you want in a vintage Miyata is getting harder, more expensive. My 710, Racer and 312 where each under $200 when I picked them up, I don't expect to see those days again.
Footnote: I noticed the NOS Miyata Team frames bicycle_retreat has been selling on eBay for $799, is now down to the last one @ $1299. Yikes, I thought $799 was wishful thinking.
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Footnote: I noticed the NOS Miyata Team frames bicycle_retreat has been selling on eBay for $799, is now down to the last one @ $1299. Yikes, I thought $799 was wishful thinking.
Wow, if someone needs a fantastic vintage lugged steel frame/fork in a 56 that is an awesome frame. $1299 is not that bad for a frame like that, I've seen plenty of steel frames go for more then that, and those Miyata's are not cheap made in China pieces of crap, they were the best of the Japanese frames ever made and I would argue better then any steel frame made back then.
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