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Old 03-13-13, 10:19 AM
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De Rosa question

I recently had this bike up on Ebay-won't list it there again. One dumb question after another, and a few good ones that I didn't know the answer to, at least with 100% confidence.

I purchased this De Rosa in 1982 or 3. Bought it because I liked the way it felt and looked. It's 30 years later and I've kicked around selling it, kind of glad it didn't sell because I think I'd like to keep it. May not ever find another like it.

I would like some help in identifying the model. I always thought it was a Professional, but some Ebayers said because it has Record hubs... that it was not. I'm not sure what components have to do with the frame model-maybe some could shed some light.

At any rate I'll post some photos and maybe I'll get some insight on this forum. Thanks for any and all input. I have more photos if needed
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Old 03-13-13, 02:57 PM
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You have a VERY nice bicycle--looks to be Super Record components and w/ De Rosa engraving no less! Since you're asking about the model, I'm going to guess you bought this used?? So, as for the wheels saying "Record"... First, I don't even remember there being Super Record hubs back then. If there were, it's possible a different set of wheels that were swapped onto it. Maybe it came with sew-ups and the original owner wanted those Gentleman clinchers???
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Old 03-13-13, 03:14 PM
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Thanks for your response. I purchased the bike new from a bike shop in Evanston, Illinois. I never really cared what model it was, I just liked the way it felt.
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Old 03-13-13, 07:46 PM
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De Rosa didn't sell complete bikes - he sold frames. Whatever components are hanging on that frame, somebody else put 'em there. It could have been the importer, it could have been the shop you bought it from.

Alos, at that point, De Rosa did nto really have "models." Based on the age, I believe (but am not positive) yours would be called a "Professional," but there wasn't a choice between a "Professional" and a "Primato" and a "Classico," at least not then. You'd get a De Rosa - period. A model name was, at best, an afterthought.
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Old 03-13-13, 10:32 PM
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Thanks, That explains it. I appreciate your response.
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Old 03-14-13, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
De Rosa didn't sell complete bikes - he sold frames. Whatever components are hanging on that frame, somebody else put 'em there. It could have been the importer, it could have been the shop you bought it from.

Alos, at that point, De Rosa did nto really have "models." Based on the age, I believe (but am not positive) yours would be called a "Professional," but there wasn't a choice between a "Professional" and a "Primato" and a "Classico," at least not then. You'd get a De Rosa - period. A model name was, at best, an afterthought.
In the 80's DeRosa did begin to sell complete bikes, actually they did in the 70's too, but the majority of the imports were frame sets. Early on, it was Strada or Pista. Later in the 80's it was Professional, and lina (sp) aerodynamica for the "aero" frames.

There was a designation for the bikes with pantographing, it was elaborata.

So, I would call your bike a Professional elaborata. (even though is may not have the full tilt pantographing) From the fork crown I would place it at 1986-87.

As to the ebay "period-description correct" police complaining, you got to love their interest and that is all.
Super Record hubs were in the catalog when the Super Record ensemble was initially printed, but never made it into production, maybe prototypes out in the wild... but the "Record" hubs commonly known as Nuovo Record for years were the top hub. Very late in the production run, like 1987, there was the only real significant change and the rear hub dust shields became flat in cross section, my guess was to clear some 7 and 8 speed freewheel bodies coming on line at the time, the revised shape provides a bit more clearance, as the "Nuovo Record" group was going away and the names of the groups were Super Record and Corsa Record (C-Record) that may be the one thin line to claim there were Super Record hubs in my book. The Record hubs did have an evolution of details, the lock nuts evolved, the threading designation got more clear, the skewers were modified to make the CPSC happy but for decades they were more uniform than the VW Beetle.
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Lesson on ebay: some buyers will wear you out with questions. I wonder if they are setting me up "You told me it was an X, and the LBS tells me it is a Y". Logical questions, fine, but as they start piling on, I do not take a chance and I will block them from bidding.

Do enough selling on ebay, and you will get scammed (buyers always win). 99% of my sales go well, 1% turn to crap.
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Wow, that looks like my size.......
I suspect the price you set for it is quite high.......and I can see why....
Good luck with the DR. Hope it eventually finds a good second home!

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Here's another DeRosa with questions

Great Info! I am currently looking at an old DeRosa that the owner bought used and has no history on it. Very beat up and someone has mixed components between newer dura ace and what looks to be original campagnolo. Questions: 1) i noticed "DeRosa" stamped on the dropouts- never seen this on other DeRosa frames and wonder if these are generic dropouts or campy? 2) all campy components on the bike say "campagnolo brev", what does that mean?



Originally Posted by repechage View Post
In the 80's DeRosa did begin to sell complete bikes, actually they did in the 70's too, but the majority of the imports were frame sets. Early on, it was Strada or Pista. Later in the 80's it was Professional, and lina (sp) aerodynamica for the "aero" frames.

There was a designation for the bikes with pantographing, it was elaborata.

So, I would call your bike a Professional elaborata. (even though is may not have the full tilt pantographing) From the fork crown I would place it at 1986-87.

As to the ebay "period-description correct" police complaining, you got to love their interest and that is all.
Super Record hubs were in the catalog when the Super Record ensemble was initially printed, but never made it into production, maybe prototypes out in the wild... but the "Record" hubs commonly known as Nuovo Record for years were the top hub. Very late in the production run, like 1987, there was the only real significant change and the rear hub dust shields became flat in cross section, my guess was to clear some 7 and 8 speed freewheel bodies coming on line at the time, the revised shape provides a bit more clearance, as the "Nuovo Record" group was going away and the names of the groups were Super Record and Corsa Record (C-Record) that may be the one thin line to claim there were Super Record hubs in my book. The Record hubs did have an evolution of details, the lock nuts evolved, the threading designation got more clear, the skewers were modified to make the CPSC happy but for decades they were more uniform than the VW Beetle.
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Hi one very nice. If it was mine there is no way I would ever sell it. That is the SLX tubing, the best steel tubing ever made. If you still want to sell it let me know.
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