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Old 03-26-13, 12:42 PM
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80s vintage racing bike w/ full Campy Super Record group set - what's it worth?

Hi all: I am looking to sell my custom made late 80s road bike. The cromoly frame (columbus steel) was custom made by a frame builder named Mike Gleason (M Cycles) in North Carolina. It was outfitted with a full Campagnolo Super Record group set, including the wheel hubs. The wheels are Matrix ISO tubular. The only component that isn't Campy is the handlebars. It was well maintained and ridable today. Very little rust, all surface. What should I ask? Original custom paint.
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CampI stem and seatpost? A CampI stem would be worth more than the bike.

What level of Columbus steel and what is the geometry, head/seat tube angles, like? If the toptube is unusually long or short it would be difficult to find a buyer willing to pay alot for a custom bike that doesn't fit well. The custom paint may a drawback too, what was popular and you liked in the '80s is very different from what someone wants today or wants from yesteryear.

Can you post some better pics so we can get a better idea of the condition?

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I wish I knew more about the steel. It still has the Columbus sticker. Michael used top of the line everything, so I'm sure it was state of the art for the time. I'm not sure about the stem, which I doubt is Campy. The seat post is stamped 27.2 3ttt, no other marks. The tube measurements are: The seat tube is 21 inches. The top tube measured center to center is also 21 inches. The down tube measured from the center of the head tube to center of the bottom bracket is 24 inches. I need to make the file sizes of the others smaller. Will post more later if necessary.
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Ignore the pedals. They are cheap ones the bike shop put on when I moved mine to a new bike. Here are a few more photos:
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I wish I knew more about the steel. It still has the Columbus sticker. Michael used top of the line everything, so I'm sure it was state of the art for the time. I'm not sure about the stem, which I doubt is Campy. The seat post is stamped 27.2 3ttt, no other marks. The tube measurements are: The seat tube is 21 inches. The top tube measured center to center is also 21 inches. The down tube measured from the center of the head tube to center of the bottom bracket is 24 inches. I need to make the file sizes of the others smaller. Will post more later if necessary.
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The tubing type should be listed on the Columbus sticker. The main types of the day for road bikes were SL, SLX, CLX if I am not mistaken. SL was for light weight riders, SLX mid weight riders and CLX (not exactly sure if this is the correct name) is for the heaviest riders. It all had to do with internal raised ribbing in the main tubes. SL had none and would flex more and give a more comfortable ride, SLX had ribbing at the beginning and end of a tube (about 1/3 of tube lenght each end), and CLX had it all the way end to end. The tubes progressed from SL least stiff to CLX stiffest but better energy transfer. Hope this helps.
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I don't know who Mike Gleason is, but if he has enough "name recognition" in the business, it could raise the value of the bike significantly.
Best if you can do some reaserch on him and his career in custom bike building.....
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I'm in the Raleigh NC area and have run into a couple of his mountain bike frames that appeared to be very well built. At the time, I did a little research and could only find a small quote about his frame building -
I worked in a shop in North Carolina under a guy named Michael Gleason who was a bike builder. He built bikes for Becky Davis who was a Silver Medalist in the 1984 Olympic Games and for Rebecca Twig. He actually built custom bikes for them and he was the guy that owned Tumbleweed Cyclery in Chapel Hill. It was located between where Franklin St. Bikes and Performance Bikes are now. He had a tremendous work ethic: I just don’t want you to do it, I want you to do it right.
Sadly, I have to agree with Thifty Bill - the value is probably in the parts.
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The size doesn't sound too bad 21" 'square' as they say, and I would suspect the angles are cloes to 73 ST and 74 HT.

It looks like it could use a good overhaul and cleaning to attract any attention and get top dollar. How old are the drive train parts? If a buyer puts a different set of wheels, or just a different freewheel (FW) will chain skip? If it gets a new chain will it skip on the chain wheels?

It could be the pic but this dropout looks a bit funky, like maybe it is spread open a bit too much.


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Very nice bike with some nice parts likely. The size seems fine for selling short fastback rear and 21 square. Yet the semi custume frame build nicely done but slightly tileted semi verticaly dropout setup and 80's two tone pastel paint could hold selling back a bit. If all the Campy pits are solid and smooth and not heavily worn? You should be able to get $400-500 for the bike which is about what you would get parting it out. Cleaned up and fully serviced with a nice seat appopriate pedals and good tires you could get $100-150 more but it would likely be a wash sales wise and bit of a harder sell.
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I found out a bit more information. The frame is Columbus SL steel. Michael Gleason's frames are still fairly well known in NC. I may try to sell it locally first.
Thanks for all the advice. Any other opinions about a realistic price would be appreciated. Sounds like I am hearing maybe $600 in parts or $500 for the bike as is.
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I would aim you expectations a little lower by a $150 or so. Getting value out of a bike like this can be a lot of work and parting out while maybe bigger dollars entails a lot of work and expertise. Figure a legit 8-10hrs work on parting out and listing everything and know that as a rookie you will likely not get top dolllar.
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It needs a lot of cleaning to get top dollar.
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80s vintage racing bike w/ full Campy Super Record group set - what's it worth?

Oh man this forum is tough! A custom made frame with Super Record parts! Thats minimum of $700. If it were mine I would be asking $1000.
Looks like a great bike. That would sell in minutes if listed on Craigslist for $500.
DO NOT SELL THAT BIKE CHEAP!!!!
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80s vintage racing bike w/ full Campy Super Record group set - what's it worth?

What is with you guys. Add up the cost of the components alone. Toss in a custom built frame. Cleaning and lubing that bike would be a pleasant afternoons work. Big whup. Man oh man. I'm steamin! You guys put way to much importance on the name on the frame. That bike is beautifully constructed.
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M Cycles

With those colors, if it just had a big M on it you could probably sell it at a premium in the Ann Arbor market.
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I just obtained a classic 1974 Vianelli super record here in Ontario Canada the machine is like factory appearance with full campy gear and would like to here what it may be worth in todays market thanx















I just obtained a vintage 1974 vianelli Super Record here in Ontario , the machine looks as it has not been riden at all,I would like to know what this bike may be worth on todays market Larry
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Determining Vintage Bicycle Value is a tricky business, but in this case, not a cent less than $600.00 would be appropriate. Were the bike mine, I, as others have noted, would offer the bike for a minimum of $1000.00 and wait for the right person to come along. However...

Many things impact value. Presentation (clean, tuned, road worthy) and marketing skills (good pictures and choices of selling options - Craigslist, Ebay, etc) are both hugely important. Trying to sell a dirty, non-functioning bicycle with fuzzy pictures is foolish if you seek top dollar.

Anyway, the above is just an old fella's opinion but I do wish you good luck with the endeavour.
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
You guys put way to much importance on the name on the frame. That bike is beautifully constructed.
I have to agree with the others. It's not about how much importance they/you put into the name on the frame, it's how much importance a typicaly buyer would. I picked up a Mandaric - no name recognition, but beautiful custom built frame with 531 - outfitted with Sante/105 for $120. And apparently I was the only one who showed any interest in it. Had the name on the DT said Raleigh instead I likely would have had to pay 3x as much.

I'm with you, in that I think these smaller builders likely contstruct as well if not better than those that are mass produced, but a lot of time you pay for the decal as much as anything - and some decals are valued more than others.
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What counts when you want to sell a vintage bike is that the frame has not rusted or that doesn't show shocks. Also the components like cranks, shifters must also be original and in excellent shape if you want to sell the bike for top dollars. It is hard to find old bike restorers because some spare parts brands are no more existing and are a pain to find.
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Thanks so much for the input. Nearly all the components are original Campy, down to the brake pads. It still rides beautifully. I was riding it myself until quite recently. I think I will clean it up, take some nice photos (these were quick and dirty) and list it on local Craigslist, since the builder still has some local name recognition.
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Well it does need some work to fetch top dollar, but I honestly dont know that brand. Columbus sl is good stuff and campy super is really desirable. I would clean it up good and think about throwing it up on ebay. You never know. But 4 to 7 sounds right to me.
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<< Trying to sell a dirty, non-functioning bicycle with fuzzy pictures is foolish if you seek top dollar.>>

I love that! Thanks

Re: this bike frame, it's proper name is "M Cycles" made by Mike Gleason of Tumbleweed cycles in Chapel Hill/Carrboro, NC. Mike is a very nice fellow, careful craftsperson who now does woodwork in Greensboro, NC. He was a great friend of McLean Fonvielle (Silk Hope & McLean bikes), a very very good builder from this same area, who passed away in 1983. Mike was a racer as well and his bike were known to ride very well. M Cycles paint was mostly by Rick Weiler (in Michigan I think.)

I agree that a thorough TLC and good pictures on CL locally, or even eBay, might yield as much as $1K if the right person could be found....
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M Cycles

With those colors, if it just had a big M on it you could probably sell it at a premium in the Ann Arbor market.
Without a doubt, and no big M needed!

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Without a doubt, and no big M needed!

GO Bucks!
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