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Old 06-03-13, 02:20 PM
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Hi Everyone,

I'm brand new to the forum and to road bikes for that matter. I'm in the process of trying to find a very cheap bike, however I have no clue what things are worth and if I'm looking at a good deal or not. I thought I might throw a few options out there and let any of you willing, help me decide. Thanks in advance! Here are two craigslistings that have caught my eye. Also for some reason I would really like downtube shifters...it just seems like something I want to learn to use.

Specialized Sirrus:
http://denver.craigslist.org/bid/3837453085.html

Bianchi Stelvio:
http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3844474960.html

I appreciate any help!

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The Bianchi is best for a small rider under 5'5". The Specialized is best for someone at least 5'8"-5'11".
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Step 1: Google bike sizing and figure out what size you need. Those two bikes are dramatically different in size.

I would consider both of them to be a excellent deals. Don't wait long to make a move!

DT shifters were the norm for decades, and came on the very best of bikes. Plus they are robust. The new STI shifters, when they die, its usually throw away time, and they are very expensive!! So if you like DT shifters, you will be getting a bike that if a shifter breaks, will be a lot cheaper to fix, and they are much less likely to break too!
Thanks for the reply wrk101! Yeah I've been trying to do my research on sizing and found 56 cm to "probably" (I'm 5'11") be my size. Although the bianchi only gives the standover height, which I know is related to inseam.

Edit: if only given a standover height is it possible to know the relative size of the bike frame?

I called about the Specialized and by the time I had gotten to the store someone had already swooped in. I will admit I was a bit sad, and was excited to finally get my first road bike. Back to the drawing board.

On a related note, what are people's thoughts on craigslist vs bike shops? We have a place here in Denver called the Recyclery that specializes in putting together recycled bikes, but I'm afraid they are really trendy and will mark up their prices. Does anyone have a preference when buying a used bike?
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These two might be worth a look.


http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3830698934.html

http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3846884121.html
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Originally Posted by brian3069 View Post
Raleigh GP is $50 too high IMHO.
TREK is priced correctly.
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Originally Posted by brian3069 View Post
Both look very nice to me, thanks for the links! I'm assuming then that $225 is a good deal for either of those? Thanks for bearing with me while I learn more about valuation of bikes.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
Raleigh GP is $50 too high IMHO.
TREK is priced correctly.
Perfect timing on that post...right before me. I appreciate the help everyone!
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Yes, you need to calibrate your eyes. Look at the two bike pictures, it should be obvious one is a lot larger than the other.

+1 Learn to move fast, there are others out there looking for deals.

I sell my bikes both directly via Craigs List, and through bike shops. The shops tend to charge 50% to 75% more, so I can afford to pay them a 25% consignment fee, and still end up way ahead.

To buy from a private party. YOU need to get educated on what makes a good bike, what makes a good deal, etc. Sellers are often/usually clueless. Thats one reason for the substantial savings. Its kind of like buying a used car from a dealer versus a private party.

With the power of the internet, there is no reason to not get knowledgeable IMHO.

The BEST deals WILL NOT last long enough for you to post (and get an answer to): "Hey is this one a good deal?" And the best deals tend to have little to no useful information in the ad. If they had anything useful in the ad, they would be long gone.
I think I got caught up in the numbers. I wasn't sure how a 56 cm bike compared to a 29 in. one. Is there an "average" standover height that would correlate to 56 cm bike frame?

I knew I should have raced down there quicker...that is the worst when you convince yourself that no one will pick it up in that time and then they do. Again, thanks for the tips wrk.
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I will definitely do my research. Last thing before I stop bothering everyone.

I'm determined now to find a Sirrus Triple after it just got away from me - is $375 crazy for this even with the Shimano gear?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Specialized-...30920488784%26

Also, this probably goes without say, especially with someone new like myself, but always ride before buying right? haha
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Okay I lied...one last post, for today at least. I didn't even know Panasonic made bikes...thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Panason...item19dd66387e
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Originally Posted by FawltyTowers View Post
Okay I lied...one last post, for today at least. I didn't even know Panasonic made bikes...thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Panason...item19dd66387e

GO buy it and pick it up. Nice deal @ $235 although I like the Trek better for resale.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
GO buy it and pick it up. Nice deal @ $235 although I like the Trek better for resale.
Buy that one as he said.

Still be ready to spend some additional if it requires, there are good bones there.
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+1 on that Panasonic. The seller guarantees it is just as described. How could you go wrong? Actually I like that fade paint job. Is Brighton close by?
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Brighton is about 20 mins from Denver. I have contacted the seller.

Maybe it's OCD or something but I'm still completely bugged that I missed that 90's Sirrus. There are almost none to be found online too. If anyone spots one, send me a link!

Again, thanks for all the feedback! Seems like a great community here. =]
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The ebay seller also has a pretty decent TREK ZX6000 mountain bike, 18" frame. If you could get a package deal for $275-$300, you could make some coin on the mountain bike to subsidize the cost of the Panasonic.
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Buy the Panasonic. It is a good price.

For a little perspective on the Sirrus: I recently sold an 89/90 Specialized Sirrus with all Shimano 105 components for $240. 105 is much nicer than RX that the ebay bike has.

BTW, I bought the Sirrus for $55 so there are some great deals out there if you have the time to look but you have to act fast.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
The ebay seller also has a pretty decent TREK ZX6000 mountain bike, 18" frame. If you could get a package deal for $275-$300, you could make some coin on the mountain bike to subsidize the cost of the Panasonic.
Good call, I'll see what the seller says.

Originally Posted by rjhammett View Post
Buy the Panasonic. It is a good price.

For a little perspective on the Sirrus: I recently sold an 89/90 Specialized Sirrus with all Shimano 105 components for $240. 105 is much nicer than RX that the ebay bike has.

BTW, I bought the Sirrus for $55 so there are some great deals out there if you have the time to look but you have to act fast.
Oh wow, what a deal, and I thought I was getting a good deal finding one for $200.

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+10 Since you can pick it up locally, go for it. The problem with bikes on ebay at this price range is that by the time you pay shipping, the deals just aren't that decent. Add $75 to that price, and the deal is not so hot.

Since you can pick it up, you avoid the shipping charge and the deal is pretty good.

That Sirrus on ebay is not such a decent deal. By the time you get it shipped, the price is over $400. $400 buys A LOT of bike in the vintage market, you can do better. I would rate the Panasonic to be pretty similar, at about HALF the price, and its local so you can check it out first!

I am a little biased, but Panasonic made some of the best Japanese built bikes in the 1980s, similar to Miyata IMHO. Of course, I have quite a few Panasonics right now, most are Schwinn branded.

Lets see, off the top of my head:

2-1973 World Voyageur (Panasonic Built)

1981 Super Sport (Panasonic Built)

1986 Peloton (Panasonic Built)

2-1987 Prologue (Panasonic Built)

1988 Panasonic DX-2000

1989 Panasonic DX-4000

1992 Series 5 Paramount (Panasonic Built)

1992 Series 7 Paramount (Panasonic Built)

1992 Series 70 Paramount (Panasonic Built)
Thanks for the encouragement on the Panasonic. It isn't really speaking to me like the Sirrus did, but then again this is my first road bike and what do I know? haha

I still feel this urge to find a 90/91 Sirrus and may do so just for the challenge. Seems like there were a lot of threads on these back in 2010 on this forum and I just missed the boat by 3 years. I will probably keep looking, I know it's not the best bike/brand around but the challenge is there now! It goes without saying, if you have any leads and a bit of time, let me know!

Thanks for the support all!
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In Denver you are in very good market for buying and selling bikes. There are several good deals on Road bikes in your price range and size almost every day. Here are caouple more to maybe look at.
http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3846884121.html


http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3830698934.html

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I'd go for the Panasonic on a local pickup. It's a good price and you'll like it.

And yeah, frankly you can't know what you really want until you've ridden or owned a lot of bikes. It took me several bikes just to get the fit dialed in. Of course, I was flipping them at the same time so I was making money on each one. I wouldn't worry about missing the Specialized. Ride one when you get a chance, but don't hunt one down and overpay in the process. My guess is that after going through all that work you'll realize it's not any more special than any other bike. Especially when you don't even know exactly what size you need. I started from rock bottom, with a $5 Huffy road bike. Moved up slowly each time and now I'm addicted...

I've happened onto some of my favorite bikes by accident. I almost parted out and tossed the frame of a '95 Gary Fisher Tassajara I bought for $20. It was a mess but I decided to build it up anyway, and now it's my favorite rigid MTB. I've used it for everything from commuting to cyclocross. It fits me perfectly and rides like nothing else. Not a special bike by any means, but it hits that sweet spot for me.
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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
In Denver you are in very good market for buying and selling bikes. There are several good deals on Road bikes in your price range and size almost every day. Here are caouple more to maybe look at.
http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3846884121.html


http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3830698934.html
I'm starting to realize that zukahn, it's just a matter of learning my way around good/bad deals. Today alone I've already received so much help! I sent you a friend request by the way...figured it couldn't hurt to have a Denver buddy on here. Hope you don't mind.

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I'd go for the Panasonic on a local pickup. It's a good price and you'll like it.

And yeah, frankly you can't know what you really want until you've ridden or owned a lot of bikes. It took me several bikes just to get the fit dialed in. Of course, I was flipping them at the same time so I was making money on each one. I wouldn't worry about missing the Specialized. Ride one when you get a chance, but don't hunt one down and overpay in the process. My guess is that after going through all that work you'll realize it's not any more special than any other bike. Especially when you don't even know exactly what size you need. I started from rock bottom, with a $5 Huffy road bike. Moved up slowly each time and now I'm addicted...

I've happened onto some of my favorite bikes by accident. I almost parted out and tossed the frame of a '95 Gary Fisher Tassajara I bought for $20. It was a mess but I decided to build it up anyway, and now it's my favorite rigid MTB. I've used it for everything from commuting to cyclocross. It fits me perfectly and rides like nothing else. Not a special bike by any means, but it hits that sweet spot for me.
Until recently I hadn't really thought much about the bike I was riding. The more I rode my crappy hand-me-down mountain bike in the city the more I realized I could probably be so much more efficient with my energy! That led me into my first search for a road bike...and here I am now, rubbing shoulders with the experts! You're right though, I won't truly know what I like until I've tried a bunch, and I'm sure there's huge likelihood that I may not like the first bike I get. Like you said, it's all about finding the sweet spot! Thanks for sharing your experience. =]
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This ones nice for $75 if you move fast.
http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3849121569.htm
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Last piece of advice: as long as you buy right (don't pay too much, get a bike in nice condition, and BUY USED), you should be able to move on when you find something different/better/whatever without losing money (or losing very little). Buy really well, and you will make some money!

Many of us call bikes we plan to hold onto "keeper" bikes. I can tell you, my keeper fleet has changed dramatically over the last few bikes. Bikes I thought I would keep forever are long gone, moved on to another home, when I found something even better.

I sold three "keepers" last year.

As you learn what differentiates a nice bike from an average bike, how to find bikes, and what makes a good deal pricewise, bikes will fall out of the sky.

In the meantime, with the Panasonic, you are getting a really nice bike that you can keep for years.
Thanks so much for the advice. This will be my first road bike and first bike project. I'm excited to try and work on the Panasonic and do it some vintage justice!

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This ones nice for $75 if you move fast.
http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3849121569.htm
Thanks for the heads up, although I didn't see it until today.

I did however buy the Panasonic and just picked it up this morning! It definitely will need some work, so it will be a labor of love but I'm willing to put in the time. I will post pics soon! A few questions though:

- zukahn, until I can become competent at working on my own bike, do you have any recommendations of a good place in Denver to go to for a tune-up? Being new to the bike scene I'm not quite sure which places have the best prices and good staff.

- Is there a sub-forum on this site where I can actively post about working on my bike and getting advice about maintenance? I'd really like to get into the nitty gritty but would hate to be posting the wrong forum.
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Originally Posted by FawltyTowers View Post
Thanks so much for the advice. This will be my first road bike and first bike project. I'm excited to try and work on the Panasonic and do it some vintage justice!



Thanks for the heads up, although I didn't see it until today.

I did however buy the Panasonic and just picked it up this morning! It definitely will need some work, so it will be a labor of love but I'm willing to put in the time. I will post pics soon! A few questions though:

- zukahn, until I can become competent at working on my own bike, do you have any recommendations of a good place in Denver to go to for a tune-up? Being new to the bike scene I'm not quite sure which places have the best prices and good staff.

- Is there a sub-forum on this site where I can actively post about working on my bike and getting advice about maintenance? I'd really like to get into the nitty gritty but would hate to be posting the wrong forum.
I suggest REI for service.
Yes, called Bicycle Mechanics.
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I know my Specialized Sirrus ship has sailed, but this is a good deal right?

[h=2]Men's SPECIALIZED ROAD BIKE / hybrid - $175 (Denver)[/h]
Men's; 23" frame, 21 speed, 700 Trek150 Tech3 tires, Shimano RX100 equipped
(brakes, derailleurs, shifters) Campagnolo 600 series alloy T6 rear wheel MADE IN ITALY
wolber super champion alpine front wheel MADE IN FRANCE direct drive cro-mo.
New SPECIALIZED seat, new tubes,Bike ready to ride.LARGE FRAME
Posting means bike is available **$175*CASH&CARRY**3O-35-82-44-1-OJ*U*A*N
  • Location: Denver
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Posting ID: 3863924103
Posted: 2013-06-11, 10:51AM MDT
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I don't like to bump, but does anyone have an opinion on if the Sirrus about is worth $175?
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