Is this a bianchi specialissima (??) reparto corse
07-11-13, 02:57 PM
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Is this a bianchi specialissima (??) reparto corse
I am interested in getting this Bianchi (from eBay) and same as everyone here on this side of the forum, I am unable to verify the model (and year). Below are pictures from the seller.
From my limited knowledge, I don't think its a Specialissima. However, I do think that this is somewhat a mid to high end frame because of the rear campy drops. There's a serial no. beneath the BB shell, from what i can make out... its B654. There are a few things that 'confuses' me about this frame...
1. the body is of Columbus Formula One but the fork is Columbus Formula 2 (not to mention if its Specialissima; then it ought to be SP or SL or some tubing that is higher than Formula)
2. the mix and match component (Ofmega and Campy). Seller didn't give description about other parts used. I've requested for more info, waiting for a reply.
3. there's a Reparto Corse decal on the chain stay; is this a custom build?
Otherwise, the frame seems to be in very good condition.
The bid is ending soon. Starting bid EUR299 Not sure if its worth that much if its not what the seller claims it to be. So i'm hoping the good people on this forum to help me out.
Thanks!
From my limited knowledge, I don't think its a Specialissima. However, I do think that this is somewhat a mid to high end frame because of the rear campy drops. There's a serial no. beneath the BB shell, from what i can make out... its B654. There are a few things that 'confuses' me about this frame...
1. the body is of Columbus Formula One but the fork is Columbus Formula 2 (not to mention if its Specialissima; then it ought to be SP or SL or some tubing that is higher than Formula)
2. the mix and match component (Ofmega and Campy). Seller didn't give description about other parts used. I've requested for more info, waiting for a reply.
3. there's a Reparto Corse decal on the chain stay; is this a custom build?
Otherwise, the frame seems to be in very good condition.
The bid is ending soon. Starting bid EUR299 Not sure if its worth that much if its not what the seller claims it to be. So i'm hoping the good people on this forum to help me out.
Thanks!
07-11-13, 04:53 PM
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All of my reply is based on my knowledge of US market bikes and speculation about this particular bike.
Hey Smirkdoff I hope I didn't overly confuse you. If you want clarification on anything just ask. BTW I have been to Singapore once or twice. Nice place but I really didn't get to see too much.
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I am interested in getting this Bianchi (from eBay) and same as everyone here on this side of the forum, I am unable to verify the model (and year). That can be very hard unless the bike is in complete OEM condition. Below are pictures from the seller.
From my limited knowledge, I don't think its a Specialissima. I agree, I am not sure there ever was an actualy Specialissma (aside from the coveted Specialissma X-4) but it was more an adjective used to make the top models seem special before the Reparto Corse concept
However, I do think that this is somewhat a mid to high end frame because of the rear campy drops. IMHO the chrome stay would pont more to a higher end model rather than the CampI drops. There's a serial no. beneath the BB shell, from what i can make out... its B654. T-Mar may be able to shed some light on this from that info. There are a few things that 'confuses' me about this frame... Me too!
1. the body is of Columbus Formula One but the fork is Columbus Formula 2 (not to mention if its Specialissima; then it ought to be SP or SL or some tubing that is higher than Formula) I agree the mix of the two materials does not show up in the US catalog. The Formula tube sets seem to have been an '86 introduction, '85 having been Bianchi Special by Columbus tubing. The "Circle B" on the stay caps and the style of the fork crown suggest to me this would be an '85 frame, most likely a Mondiale. I think the seller or a previous owner liberally added lots of new decals and Rightly or wrongly it seems the tubing decals were replace and I suspect the Bianchi decals were replaced at the same time, and since the 86/87 Champion and Reparto decal were in the package they got stuck on too.
2. the mix and match component (Ofmega and Campy). Seller didn't give description about other parts used. I've requested for more info, waiting for a reply. I would suspect this was stripped of all the Super Record goodies at one pont and rebuilt with this collection of nice but not really matching parts.
3. there's a Reparto Corse decal on the chain stay; is this a custom build? Custom built how? A Reparto Corse frame isn't usually custom built just a nice lower volume production frame than the rest of the line up. A frame from the RC shop can usually be custom built into a bike from the customers specs in the shop. If this is a Mondiale it is a RC shop frame.
Otherwise, the frame seems to be in very good condition.
The bid is ending soon. Starting bid EUR299 Not sure if its worth that much if its not what the seller claims it to be. So i'm hoping the good people on this forum to help me out. I am not sure I would bid on this. I think as a rider it might be worth $400 tops and with a starting bid of $300 it is likely to exceed 400 and then you need to add the cost of shipping it around the world. If it was a complete Mondiale with the SR group it might worth trying to get.
Thanks!
From my limited knowledge, I don't think its a Specialissima. I agree, I am not sure there ever was an actualy Specialissma (aside from the coveted Specialissma X-4) but it was more an adjective used to make the top models seem special before the Reparto Corse concept
However, I do think that this is somewhat a mid to high end frame because of the rear campy drops. IMHO the chrome stay would pont more to a higher end model rather than the CampI drops. There's a serial no. beneath the BB shell, from what i can make out... its B654. T-Mar may be able to shed some light on this from that info. There are a few things that 'confuses' me about this frame... Me too!
1. the body is of Columbus Formula One but the fork is Columbus Formula 2 (not to mention if its Specialissima; then it ought to be SP or SL or some tubing that is higher than Formula) I agree the mix of the two materials does not show up in the US catalog. The Formula tube sets seem to have been an '86 introduction, '85 having been Bianchi Special by Columbus tubing. The "Circle B" on the stay caps and the style of the fork crown suggest to me this would be an '85 frame, most likely a Mondiale. I think the seller or a previous owner liberally added lots of new decals and Rightly or wrongly it seems the tubing decals were replace and I suspect the Bianchi decals were replaced at the same time, and since the 86/87 Champion and Reparto decal were in the package they got stuck on too.
2. the mix and match component (Ofmega and Campy). Seller didn't give description about other parts used. I've requested for more info, waiting for a reply. I would suspect this was stripped of all the Super Record goodies at one pont and rebuilt with this collection of nice but not really matching parts.
3. there's a Reparto Corse decal on the chain stay; is this a custom build? Custom built how? A Reparto Corse frame isn't usually custom built just a nice lower volume production frame than the rest of the line up. A frame from the RC shop can usually be custom built into a bike from the customers specs in the shop. If this is a Mondiale it is a RC shop frame.
Otherwise, the frame seems to be in very good condition.
The bid is ending soon. Starting bid EUR299 Not sure if its worth that much if its not what the seller claims it to be. So i'm hoping the good people on this forum to help me out. I am not sure I would bid on this. I think as a rider it might be worth $400 tops and with a starting bid of $300 it is likely to exceed 400 and then you need to add the cost of shipping it around the world. If it was a complete Mondiale with the SR group it might worth trying to get.
Thanks!
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07-11-13, 05:41 PM
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There was a Bianchi Specialissima model bike in the 60s. Not sure about the 70s. In the 80s Specialissima was the name of a bare frame sold by Bianchi. The Specialissima frame was the same frame used on the Superleggera model complete bike.
Not much light I can shed other than I agree that a top line bike would not have been built out of the Formula tubeset but would have used "name brand" SL or SP.
Not much light I can shed other than I agree that a top line bike would not have been built out of the Formula tubeset but would have used "name brand" SL or SP.
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Hey Guys... thanks for your speedy response. I'll wait for T-Mar to give his input on the serial. I've seen his dedication and expertise on other postings.
Bianchigirl: If do head down Singapore again, let me know... i'll get some friends and a bike ready for you. We'll give you the local treatment = )
I also found another similar bike within this forum...
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-model-is-this
but there wasn't an outcome to that post.
Bianchigirl: If do head down Singapore again, let me know... i'll get some friends and a bike ready for you. We'll give you the local treatment = )
I also found another similar bike within this forum...
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-model-is-this
but there wasn't an outcome to that post.
Last edited by smirkdoff; 07-11-13 at 07:13 PM. Reason: new information
07-12-13, 07:59 AM
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Seller responded with the below...
The frame has the original paint and decals, year 86/87
handlebar: 3TTT cm.39
stem: 3TTT cm.7
seatpost: 3TTT
brakes, UNIVERSAL
hubs, OFMEGA
pedals, OFMEGA
crankset, OFMEGA ALPINE 26/36/46
front derailleur: CAMPAGNOLO
rear derailleur: OFMEGA
shifters: CAMPAGNOLO
rims: AMBROSIO 19 AERO
saddle: WHITE
According to him, the paint and the decals are original... I've spend the entire day trying to figure this bike out and i'm not even close = (
The frame has the original paint and decals, year 86/87
handlebar: 3TTT cm.39
stem: 3TTT cm.7
seatpost: 3TTT
brakes, UNIVERSAL
hubs, OFMEGA
pedals, OFMEGA
crankset, OFMEGA ALPINE 26/36/46
front derailleur: CAMPAGNOLO
rear derailleur: OFMEGA
shifters: CAMPAGNOLO
rims: AMBROSIO 19 AERO
saddle: WHITE
According to him, the paint and the decals are original... I've spend the entire day trying to figure this bike out and i'm not even close = (
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