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Ishiwata EX 4130 Triple Butted Crome moly

Old 07-23-13, 11:09 AM
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Ishiwata EX 4130 Triple Butted Crome moly

There are no other markings, other than what looks like a serial number on the seat post: 8D85446. Is the frame any good?
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Old 07-23-13, 11:28 AM
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Any pics? If it is a 59 or 60 cm frame send it to me and I will evaluate for a few years. I think that was/is pretty good stuff.
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Old 07-23-13, 11:46 AM
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EX (Exactus) is a good, versatile chromoly tubeset, but without photos showing the bike it's impossible to offer any estimate of its value.



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Old 07-23-13, 11:53 AM
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Unfortunately not a 59, it's a 53.

The frame is a mess right now, I doubt you would derive any pleasure in seeing it. Was white, now is completely scratched up. I figured if it was any good, I would have it sandblasted and powdercoated to protect and clean it up. But for what it's worth, here's a pic of it, bare thus upside down.

I asked because I read that there were different qualities of similar (to the untrained eye) Ishiwata frames, some being equal to Columbus or Reynolds tubing (though I am only repeating what I've read). I was curious to find out more specifically where mine stood, but I can't see any more markings.

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It definitely looks decent enough to spend the money to powdercoat it.
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I appreciate the responses.

What aspects of the bike, now that you've seen it, give you a clue as to its value? (I ask because I want to learn to judge).
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Originally Posted by apastrak View Post
I appreciate the responses.

What aspects of the bike, now that you've seen it, give you a clue as to its value? (I ask because I want to learn to judge).
Without higher resolution photos of the lugwork and seat cluster to evaluate the quality of brazing for clean, voidless shorelines and lack of file marks, the best clues are the forged rear dropouts and the EX tubing. I'm assuming it is free of dents and corrosion.

Do you have the fork?
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Here are closeups (as close as I can get with my 10 year old camera), as well as a photo of the fork. The frame is free of dents, though there's a little surface rust in some areas. By the way, many thanks for your expertise/time/attention.

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I think we're talking apples and oranges when it comes to value. It's a good quality bike that may be worth repainting if you want a nice riding machine. I said may because this assumes you have the parts. If you don't, I'm skeptical it is worth your time. Those are the apples. The oranges are if you think you can turn a profit on this bike with a repaint. I doubt it. Of course, if it were bianchigirl's size and she had a few years to evaluate it, that would be a whole different story . . .
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I would build it up and ride it for a while before deciding on whether I'd spend the money on paint / pc.
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I do have the parts. So, with regard to the above two posts, that's what I'll do. I was just wondering whether it was a good enough quality bike to put the parts (Shimano 105) on.
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IMHO, the fact that you don't know the builder or the history of the frame means you have to view it as a nicely made generic frame, built (according to the tubing sticker) with decent quality tubing. Unfortunately, the sticker itself doesn't mean much; it could easily have been put on a straight gauge hi-ten frame by an unscrupulous previous owner.

I do think, based on the description and photos, that it's worth a $100 powdercoat if you plan on building it up and riding it yourself. If you're looking at it as a flip, it's probably not worth the effort.

If you have an accurate scale, would you mind weighing the frame and the fork and posting the weights?
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Is the fork also ishiwata? Looks a little like my 1987 lotus excellent..I think the color is pearlescent.. Just a guess.
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I don't see any markings on the fork that would suggest that it is Ishiwata, however, it looks a lot like the rest of the frame, so I would suspect so. I'm not sure what qualifies as pearlescent, but at this point the paint is so scuffed that I have no idea what it used to look like Maybe a soft white.
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Old 07-23-13, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post
IMHO, the fact that you don't know the builder or the history of the frame means you have to view it as a nicely made generic frame, built (according to the tubing sticker) with decent quality tubing. Unfortunately, the sticker itself doesn't mean much; it could easily have been put on a straight gauge hi-ten frame by an unscrupulous previous owner.

I do think, based on the description and photos, that it's worth a $100 powdercoat if you plan on building it up and riding it yourself. If you're looking at it as a flip, it's probably not worth the effort.

If you have an accurate scale, would you mind weighing the frame and the fork and posting the weights?
Won't be flipping it, for sure.

I don't have an accurate scale here, but if I make it to be bike shop I'll have it weighed. However, I did compare it to a Tange 2 bike when it still had all of its original components, and it was only a tad heavier. The Tange 2 had all Shimano 105 components, while this one had all Shimano A350 (the old Exage) components, so that may also have had something to do with the weight difference. All in all, I think they would objectively have been approximately the same weight.
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Hi, i own the frame 8D86003 so it's a brother of yours. Mine is a repainted peugeot (canadian made) and from all the research i made, it 's true. I would suppose yours is a canadian made peugeot too, the serial number and the upper left seat tube position point at canadian peugeot. I don't know alot and what model i do own and what kind of tube i have but your post makes me think i have this frame quality too... The equipment on it is shimano 105 too, vitta white seat.



Hope it helps you ;-)

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