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Colnago "What did I buy" Help please

Old 09-25-13, 01:18 PM
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Old 09-25-13, 01:41 PM
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https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita...ago_dating.htm

This will help. Probably late 70's early 80's
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/colnago/07.jpg
this particular photo suggests only a frameset. catalog website doesn't tell you the year, unfortunately.


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Old 09-26-13, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dpicare26 View Post
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita...ago_dating.htm

This will help. Probably late 70's early 80's
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/colnago/07.jpg
this particular photo suggests only a frameset. catalog website doesn't tell you the year, unfortunately.
I think the bit in bold indicates that it was sold pretty much as you have it now. What hardware ended up on it depended on what the buyer built.
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Old 09-26-13, 12:35 PM
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What more do you want than that? ^^
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I think you're looking at a Nuovo Record build for that baby.
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Old 09-26-13, 07:20 PM
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I would say early "70's". Suposidly they changed to top tube cable Guides in "77". The long dropouts were phased out in "7475". Heres a timeline which I don't totally agree with. Ed

https://classicrendezvous.com/Italy/C...ago_dating.htm
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Old 09-26-13, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EhGiOeS View Post
I would say early "70's". Suposidly they changed to top tube cable Guides in "77". The long dropouts were phased out in "7475". Heres a timeline which I don't totally agree with. Ed

https://classicrendezvous.com/Italy/C...ago_dating.htm
the "colnago" on the fork crown didn't come in until late 70's. so I'm thinking its at least that old
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Old 09-27-13, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kidd69 View Post
What thread pattern will the bottom bracket be?
Most likely Italian.
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Old 09-27-13, 09:45 AM
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Late 70s, early 80s for sure. Colnago on seat stay caps didn't come until late 70s. The Colnago branded dropouts weren't until late 70s, early 80s. Braze on cable guides, etc. all point to a late 70s (after 77), early 80s. And yes the model would be a Super. Campy NR/SR components would be appropriate.
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Old 09-27-13, 01:58 PM
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Concur: late-70's. Triangular depressions in the rear of the fork crown, top of BB shell gear cable guides, fluted seatstay caps with Colnago engravings, Colnago engraved dropouts. The chainstays lack the later stamped "Colnago" as seen in the Super in the ad above; that was an early-80's touch.

Is the frame built for recessed or nutted brakes?

Very nice frameset; I could see that built with NR or SR. Either would be appropriate. Enjoy

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Well, you asked - It's worth less as a complete bike now than your frame was worth before you touched it. I would say more, but none of it would be positive.

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Old 11-03-13, 10:57 PM
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Wow. That is all.
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Old 11-04-13, 01:40 AM
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Anyone else crying?
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Worth?

I am sure plenty to you as a rider.

Enjoy your "new" bicycle.

I would say your return on this bicycle will come from riding it, not making a buck or two for your time and $$$ spent.
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Old 11-04-13, 10:15 AM
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So why are you asking about its value? Why ask about the parts, ignore everyone, and put on a Frankenstein mix?

The bottom line is that what you did lowered its value on the market and there were plenty of other bikes that would ride beautifully where you wouldn't have destroyed the value. I get the parts build, though it's certainly not done to maximize value, to a point...but the crappy powder coat and ugly decals are another matter. Not sure why you'd pay to do that...but it was your bike and if you want to lose money making it uglier and less valuable, you'll bear the consequences.

If you're going to ask about its value on an evaluation forum, be prepared for the answer...and what you did, from an evaluation perspective, was moronic. Saying "I don't care if I ruined the value" is a cop out. You're either just trying to annoy people you consider iconoclasts, or you had no idea what you were doing. Either way - it deserves a response.

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Old 11-04-13, 10:38 AM
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Can't see enough to see that quality of the powdercoating job (might have been good, might not), but I will agree with you that the paint before was a little rough, so I could see how you might want to do a repaint if you were keeping for a rider? Why not reproduce the original decals though?

Also, as an aside on a completely different track, you might want to look into one of the so-called "step down" ferrules for your rear derailleur housing for optimal shifting. Maybe it won't matter, maybe it'll help. It just looks like there might be some slippage there with the ferrule and housing not fitting into the stop.
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It looks like a thick powdercoat to me...look at the difference in definition on the chain stays and dropouts. The decals look particularly terrible. I've seen worse, but I've also seen better.

Everyone has different tolerances as far as patina, but to me you either leave this alone or you do it right; you don't half ass it with a powdercoat that someone who does want to restore it will find difficult to remove (and I LIKE powdercoats).




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Plus the least you could have done was blown the leaves away before taking the pics
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You significantly lowered bike's value. Repainted Colnago frame..., yes it's still a Colnago but most of the people buying such frame appreciate original paint. Thing that confuses me the most is your inquiry regarding correct parts, and then putting DA 7700 + some campy parts on it...
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Thanks for all the comments, the bike rides beautifully and I do this for fun. Not profit. The sale of this bike will sponsor another build.
It's your bike and you can do as you please, but please don't permanently alter a valuable collectable again.
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Bummer. It looked way better before. I agree with the others, if you're planning on selling it, you just lost money.

Also, your cable housings are too short.
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Well, I agree it's a pity the frame got powdercoated, but to be fair...

--all the Bike Forums C&V regulars should have recognized that since OP put the thread in the "appraisals" forum but was not interested in an appraisal, he was new to this and didn't know anything that wasn't said in this thread; and

--Drillium Dude was the only person who complimented him on the frame.

No one said "what a beautiful frame, I love the patina!" or anything like that.
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With the DA parts and wheels and all it's worth more than $200. As a bare frameset though, probably not. If you're going to ride it around, who cares what it's worth? If the ride's good, that's all that matters.
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Your rear brake housing is far too short and you need a step down ferrule to fix your shifting.




If you had wanted to maximize your profits, a little touch up paint would have been enough. As the bike now sits, you will be lucky to get $600. Had you put the same parts on the frame with some touch up paint, you would get an easy $600 and would have spared yourself the expense of powder-coating.

Good luck with the sale.
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You can't me tell that a frame and fork that I paid $200 bucks for and threw a bunch of Dura Ace parts at is not worth more than $200. I mess with guys like you all the time with old cars. "You should leave it stock it's worth more that way". I call BS, I've never bought a bike our a car that I didn't upgrade in some way. As far as being hard to remove powder coat, you must not know what your talking about. With the proper stripper or media blast its as easy as paint. I build bikes to ride not to hang up as art work. I don't find rust attractive. Your all entitled to your opinions and everyone has one.
Let's analyze your statement, shall we?

You can't me tell that a frame and fork that I paid $200 bucks for and threw a bunch of Dura Ace parts at is not worth more than $200. So what you paid was automatically the bike's average value? That was a $600 frame before you touched it...that bike is worth no more than that now - and how much did you pay to lose money?
I mess with guys like you all the time with old cars. "You should leave it stock it's worth more that way". I call BS, I've never bought a bike our a car that I didn't upgrade in some way. I don't know cars well enough to comment on the analogy, other than to say they're different markets. My limited understanding is that most folks with older cars do want them original and I've never really heard of people repainting cars and having them worth MORE with the repaint where it covered the restoration cost. So - what little I know of cars indicated that usually you do go under water "upgrading" a car. You certainly did so here...believe as you choose.

As far as being hard to remove powder coat, you must not know what your talking about. With the proper stripper or media blast its as easy as paint. As I understand it, It takes more work, and you have to be more careful, than you do removing wet paint. It's certainly more expensive to have a bicycle painter remove it.


I build bikes to ride not to hang up as art work. I don't find rust attractive. Your all entitled to your opinions and everyone has one. Great - so why were you asking about using original parts and value? This isn't an opinion - this is fact - your frame is worth less today than it was the day you got it. Saying it looks like ****e is an opinion - a majority opinion. Saying the decals looks terrible is also an opinion - one that will be shared by nearly everyone who would bother to look at it.

Bottom line - you came on the thread asking about vintage parts...you then asked about value. You got your answer. You didn't ask about ride-ability or modernizing. If you're keeping this to ride - and you like it more - that's all that's important. Most c/v guys will not appreciate your "upgrades", but that's fine. You discussed reselling...and if you did this to resell, boy did you mess up. I like powdercoats - a LOT - and I like modern parts too...but I wouldn't do it to increase value and I wouldn't do it unless it was a frame I really liked and planned to keep long term.
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