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Olmo frame with Columbus genius

Old 09-28-13, 10:26 AM
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Olmo frame with Columbus genius

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Seller is offering $350 for it - it's in my size and I'd love to try an Italian. Frame appears in decent shape. Too high?
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Old 09-28-13, 10:29 AM
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If it is in decent shape and comes with a fork I wouldn't hesitate. $350 doesn't buy many Italian frames.

Edit: it should also be mentioned that genius is high end oversize tubing. If it in good shape and doesn't have a fork, I would still consider it.

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Old 09-28-13, 10:58 AM
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It would need to be in super- nice shape and should include a steel fork at that price.
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Old 09-28-13, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by thinktubes View Post
It would need to be in super- nice shape and should include a steel fork at that price.
You must have a decent market. Lower end columbus frames can bring over $300 here. This isn't a generic tubeset. It is light, oversized, and has ovalized butting.

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Old 09-28-13, 11:03 AM
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I've always loved Ibis' Moron tubing, a play on Columbus Genius. It's butted, so "more-on" the ends.
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Old 09-28-13, 11:12 AM
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I wouldn't choose genius as my point of entry into the world of Italian frames. I would go with a standard diameter tubeset, such as sl, slx, or Cromor. Genius is a nice tubeset, but the characteristic feels "modern" IMO.
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Old 09-28-13, 11:20 AM
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I have a SL frame and an ELOS frame. I know that is not quite the same as genius, but from a ride perspective I would say the ELOS is worth 2-3x the SL frame. It is all preference. The OP has an opportunity to get what might be a fantastic frame at a reasonable entry price. I respect it isn't your preference, but that doesn't mean the frame doesn't have value.
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Old 09-28-13, 11:52 AM
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What?

I made it clear that I think the frame and fork are worth $350 if they are in good shape.

If the OP is looking for a Classic Italian ride, you may or may not get that from an OS tubeset. Just to be perfectly clear, I think OS frames ride great and loved my Carrera ELOS.
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Old 09-28-13, 11:57 AM
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I guess I assumed "super nice condition" was your way of saying the price was stretching it. I've seen many more common "normal" condition frames sell for more than $350.i may have misinterpreted your original reply.
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Would likely be worth the price to someone who has most or all the stuff to build it up nicely and wants a more modern Italian bike. The issue value wise is it will likely cost more to build this bike up with appriate components than you could buy a comperable bike for complete.
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Old 09-28-13, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thirdgenbird View Post
I have a SL frame and an ELOS frame. I know that is not quite the same as genius, but from a ride perspective I would say the ELOS is worth 2-3x the SL frame. It is all preference. The OP has an opportunity to get what might be a fantastic frame at a reasonable entry price. I respect it isn't your preference, but that doesn't mean the frame doesn't have value.
You are exactly on point (as usual). Nivachrome is usually worth more on the market and I personally like it a lot more. Not wild about Olmos, but I like the material.

80s SL is a dime a dozen.

You're also right that the other poster seemed to be under valuing; I read it the same way.. Thinktube's market must be quite different, because I'd say he's a consistent under evaluator by my market/eBay.

It's ALWAYS more to do a frame up build - always - but the benefit is that you get exactly what you want.

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Old 09-28-13, 06:29 PM
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I couldn't agree more Aaron. I've bought a few complete bikes and while parting them out and rebuilding them the way I want can be economical, sometimes it isn't worth the hassle.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
You're also right that the other poster seemed to be under valuing; I read it the same way.. Thinktube's market must be quite different, because I'd say he's a consistent under evaluator by my market/eBay.
Are your opinions really that weak, that you need to resort to personal attacks for validation?
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Old 09-29-13, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by thinktubes View Post
Are your opinions really that weak, that you need to resort to personal attacks for validation?
A little touchy here, I'd wager.

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It's not a personal attack, it's an observation. Your evaluations are, IME, off base. I'm not attacking you as a human being, I just disagree with your evaluations based on a lot of experience. You seem like a very nice guy trying to help, but I also think your market is very different and I don't think your comments here are accurate for many people.

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I agree Bill - I think it varies on seller's market (and I think tube's might be different), knowledge, a little luck and ad quality. I think on a frame like this, it's helpful to use eBay value and your market (I usually try to do that).
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