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Old 10-22-13, 10:22 AM
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1980's Peter Mooney

Hi everyone, I'm brand new here so I hope I'm putting this in the right place. I've just inherited a Peter Mooney bike frame, which is currently fully built up except for the front wheel, but I think there are a couple in storage. The frame is in extremely good condition and has been stored indoors for the last ~20 years, during which time it's hardly even been touched, and not once ridden.

I know this is a very nice bike (it does have the Peter Mooney signature heart), so I'd really like to see it go to someone who will actually use it, which I will not. I'm coming here for help because I just don't know how to go about selling this thing. I'm not knowledgeable about professional bikes, but I fix cars and can rebuild a mountain bike, so I'm able to safely disassemble this without damaging anything. Which brings me to my first question, should I sell this as parts or built as-is? It's my understanding that at this level most people have specific preferences for custom equipment and would probably want to outfit the frame themselves.

Edit: this will actually be an appraisal thread, just as soon as I know what information to post up for a proper appraisal.
I also assume I will need to take some measurements of the frame since it is custom handmade, but I have no idea which points to measure to/from, nor the preferred units for doing so.

I will add some pictures to this thread hopefully tonight; I realize those are pretty crucial. I'll also identify as many names/part numbers as possible on the rest of the equipment. A lot of it is campagnolo. In the meantime, I really appreciate any help on what measurements to take, and whatever other basic information I am probably omitting in my ignorance here. Thanks for any input.

Edit: this will actually be an appraisal thread, just as soon as I know what information to post up for a proper appraisal.

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Hello Welcome to the forums. Peter Mooneys were/are very nice bikes but I don't know how well known he was outside of Belmont Mass.

To get an idea of approximate value post of list of components, frame material (Columbus, Reynolds whatever if known) and good detailed pics of the bike, showing the lugs, and components. Look through some of the other threads over in the regular C&V section to get an idea of the pics.

Selling whole or in parts is a tough question. Some bikes with complete groups are worth more whole while some are worth more parted out it just depends on your bike. Personally unless your used to wrapping and shipping lots of small parts selling the bike piecemeal can be a real PIA.
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Need photos - many here will be interested, including me.

Measure the bike as well...look up center to center measurements...and give the number in cm's.

The part out vs. keep it as is value will depend on the parts and how/where you sell it.

As a general rule, people who aren't knowledgeable shouldn't expect maximum value for their bike.
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Looking forward to pics.

You've caught my attention.

Especially if it's a sport tourer.....
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Hi guys, sorry for the long delay. I have lots of pictures for you, and what I think is an accurate measurement. Here's the bike:





And if I'm measuring correctly, the center to center measurement looks to be about 57 cm?







Or do I imagine the same type of rounded out center at that joint, which would make it 56 cm?

Here's the link to the other 77 pictures I just took: https://s287.photobucket.com/user/the...library/mooney

I tried to be as informative as possible with those pictures, but if I missed anything I'll gladly take more. As you can see the bike has accumulated a fair amount of dust and pet hair over the years, so I'm sure it'll also look nicer once it's cleaned up. I appreciate the input from you guys who gave me some info to get started with. From what I can tell everything is in really good condition, although while the brakes work to stop the wheel when I'm just holding the bike, I imagine they would have to be replaced after sitting for so long before riding it. The tire and tube (do these use tubes?) are definitely shot too, and too old to use anyway I think. The cable gearshifts both still work.

I'm trying to figure out what material the frame is made of. It's light, so I assume it's aluminum, but is there a common place to look for any identifying markings?

If anyone can make a rough estimate of what this bike might be worth, I would love to get even a ballpark figure. I was able to narrow the year it was made down to 1979 or 1980. I really appreciate any input.
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LOVE IT!

Definitely need more photos. You need full shot of the crank side of the bike, one of the bottom bracket shell, and try to take close ups of where the tubes meet.

I'd call it a 56 on the seat tube in that photo - you also need to measure the top tube. Go from the center of the seatpost to the center of theheadtube. It's a beauty - and a tourer, which I like, but in this case, not sure it helps. I THINK those are eclipse racks, which are very nice. Triple crank - wunderbar.

I'm not sure i should be advising since i am interested as a buyer. This is a tough bike to evaluate and the market is a bit soft; as a hard data point...a Mooney road bike with full c-record was just on eBay and didn't sell at 1200, which I thought was low. That was also a known seller with good photos and a quality ad. I think his was worth a bit more than this and likely had a wider audience. Based on that auction - I'm going to say 900 on eBay with a decent ad and without the front wheel? You'd clear a little under 800 after fees and have to ship. On Craigslist...maybe 600? It's silly, but the wheel hurts because a buyer now has to track down a matching rim.

He's a small name builder, but the folks who know understand that this is a classic. The problem is that small name stuff rarely sells based on its quality, it sells based on lack of branding and there are fewer auctions to form established value. It's the kind of thing where it wouldn't surprise me if it sold for 500 and it wouldn't surprise me if it sold for 2000. I think it's awesome.

You asked about parting out as well...usually people do want to outfit with their choices, but in this case, I think most buyers will want what's on there. It's perfect and top end for it's vintage. They won't keep the saddle and might change the hoods. You probably would get more as a part out (maybe 200-300 more broken up on eBay) - the crank alone is worth a bit - but I think it would be a shame to see this get broken up, it's exactly right as is.

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The frame material is steel. There doesn't appear to be a tubing sticker.

Why not contact Peter Mooney? Here's a link:

https://www.peter-mooney.com/cont.htm

Provide any information that you can, perhaps there'll be a record of the bike's origins.

Can you locate the matching front wheel? You mentioned "storage". Get those wheels and find the one that mates to this one. Looks like a really nicely made tourer. An early 80s production tourer in very clean condition would fetch ~$450 or so. This one, from a custom builder, is quite a bit better and nicely appointed...so should bring more. Twice that?

Some experts will chime in shortly. It's a beautiful bike.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
LOVE IT!

Definitely need more photos. You need full shot of the crank side of the bike, one of the bottom bracket shell, and try to take close ups of where the tubes meet.

I'd call it a 56 on the seat tube in that photo - you also need to measure the top tube. Go from the center of the seatpost to the center of theheadtube. It's a beauty - and a tourer, which I like, but in this case, not sure it helps. I THINK those are eclipse racks, which are very nice. Triple crank - wunderbar.

I'm not sure i should be advising since i am interested as a buyer. This is a tough bike to evaluate and the market is a bit soft; as a hard data point...a Mooney road bike with full c-record was just on eBay and didn't sell at 1200, which I thought was low. That was also a known seller with good photos and a quality ad. I think his was worth a bit more than this and likely had a wider audience. Based on that auction - I'm going to say 900 on eBay with a decent ad and without the front wheel? You'd clear a little under 800 after fees and have to ship. On Craigslist...maybe 600? It's silly, but the wheel hurts because a buyer now has to track down a matching rim.

He's a small name builder, but the folks who know understand that this is a classic. The problem is that small name stuff rarely sells based on its quality, it sells based on lack of branding and there are fewer auctions to form established value. It's the kind of thing where it wouldn't surprise me if it sold for 500 and it wouldn't surprise me if it sold for 2000. I think it's awesome.

You asked about parting out as well...usually people do want to outfit with their choices, but in this case, I think most buyers will want what's on there. It's perfect and top end for it's vintage. They won't keep the saddle and might change the hoods. You probably would get more as a part out (maybe 200-300 more broken up on eBay) - the crank alone is worth a bit - but I think it would be a shame to see this get broken up, it's exactly right as is.
This particular bicycle should not be parted. Imho

I love it the way it sits.

I also think Aaron's pricing philosophy is correct.

Find the match of the wheel in the storage and you are all set.

Lucky this isn't a couple of centimeters larger..............

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I love it too GMG - it's spectacular. It's a lot like my Sachs, but with a more sensible triple crank. Gotta lose the cages, saddle and hoods.
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I love it too GMG - it's spectacular. It's a lot like my Sachs, but with a more sensible triple crank. Gotta lose the cages, saddle and hoods.
Yes, the triple plays out to an advantage for many of us.

As far as the saddle, cages and hoods, they are easy, personal choices.

Again, very sweet, classy bicycle.
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Yes, the triple plays out to an advantage for many of us.

As far as the saddle, cages and hoods, they are easy, personal choices.

Again, very sweet, classy bicycle.
I'm already day dreaming about this with a black B-17 and black hoods
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I'd rock that yellow Regal, any day.
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I'd love if some others offered pricing advice here...I shouldn't be the only one, especially when I may have a horse in this race. I try to be honest, objective and fair...but it's tough when you're inherently biased.
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@op

We have premium bicycles from premiere builders like Chris Kvale just sitting on our local CL.

They aren't that expensive either, well under $1,000.

That being said, I think the Mooney would sell in the Twin Cities.

...and this can be a very hot bike market.

Somewhere in the $600 to $700 range would get it done.

You have to keep in mind there is no front wheel, the bicycle would need complete servicing and likely new tires.

This would narrow the market to a fairly savvy buyer.
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I think Twin Cities is also a much better market than Tampa...

If Tampa is what I remember, there are very few cyclists down there.
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Dont be hatin' on Tampa...lots of cyclists down here.

So here my perspective on the bike:

While Mooney makes a great bike he's one of those regional builders so he's not going to command top dollar custom bike builder prices. If it is a custom frame I'd be very concerned with the TT length. TT should be within 1cm of the ST length...otherwise its too custom.

Whole vs. parting: I see no historical reason to keep this bike intact. It was personalized by the owner...personalized.

Value? IDK.... As it sits, properly marketed, maybe $1500. The Campy triple is valuable, Phil pedals, yellow Regal saddle...this bike has some very nice parts on it. Parting out will all depend what the frameset will bring. It's a mid level frame in regards to the name, but a top level frame in regards to quality. Is it a $225 frameset or a $500 frameset?

If I were selling and didnt want to, or have the proper skills for ebay I'd throw it on CL for $800 and take $600...IDK...maybe thats conservative. All i know is I'd drop $600 in a heart beat.

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Maybe it's changed - but when I lived there (mid-late 90s) it was the worst city I've ever experienced from a cycling perspective - and there was almost no cycling culture to speak of. It's a much newer city - and everything was high speed, geared towards cars.
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Maybe it's changed - but when I lived there (mid-late 90s) it was the worst city I've ever experienced from a cycling perspective - and there was almost no cycling culture to speak of. It's a much newer city - and everything was high speed, geared towards cars.
I'm not saying its cycling friendly...I'm just saying there's a decent sized cycling community here. Lots of new places to ride...

Pinellas Trail....
Suncoast Trail...
Upper Tampa Bay Trail...
Flatwoods park...
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I might be coming to visit a friend soon Jim - maybe we can go for a spin. I haven't been there in well over a decade, so I'm sure it's totally different now.
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I believe there is a thread here some where which links to information the Phil pedals. IIRC the they had sold on e-bay in the $800 range for the pedals alone.
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...109&AbsPos=102

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I believe there is a thread here some where which links to information the Phil pedals. IIRC the they had sold on e-bay in the $800 range for the pedals alone.
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...109&AbsPos=102
I just checked and didn't see a completed auction for those pedals.

Could it have been an asking price?
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I didn't know Phil made pedals - I have no interest in/knowledge of trap pedals. If they are worth that much - definitely part them out.
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For some reason I suspected something flashier but that is a great looking bike. just about my size too
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i think that bike has an inherent high cool factor(hcf) due to its relative obscurity though that may or may not factor into its value;i say ride it and enjoy it (after o"hauling it and replacing consumables) if it fits your body and your type of riding style and the area/roads/conditions you ride......it may be more obsure in regions away from where mooney is as custom builders are sometimes indigenous to the areas they are in.......since mooney has been building for decades,he certainly has a following(have a look at his info on cycle rendezvous)...i often wonder if perhaps early vintages of builders might add value as there are not many of the bikes around? think bruce gordon(building since appx 1974,tom ritchey since appx 1972,al eisentraut 1959)....good luck on your final decision.
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I just checked and didn't see a completed auction for those pedals.

Could it have been an asking price?
Could be, I can find no current information on these pedals, I just thought that the OP may want to know that they may be rare and worth more than he would have thought.
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