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Old 11-01-13, 08:49 PM
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Italian Frame - Need help identifying - PIC HEAVY

Trying to identify an Italian Threaded frame. Serial number is 1049. Drain on BB Shell. Notice the guides on the bottom on the downtube. Anyone know who made it?

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Old 11-01-13, 08:59 PM
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I think the braze ons are going to lead you astray.

Images of the drive side rear dropout will help a bit with out wheel.
The drain port you mention and better images of the seat stay caps.

Maybe with some wheels set in it.

The detail of the brazed in fender boss on the chainstay brake bridge suggest early 60's at the latest.
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Old 11-01-13, 09:17 PM
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Old 11-02-13, 08:40 AM
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Old 11-02-13, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jtroth View Post
I hope the additional pictures help. I took out the fork There are not any serial numbers on the fork.
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Old 11-02-13, 02:03 PM
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Interesting, but only to help place its age, the rear dropout has the extra pivot spring hole, in general this is associated with 1959-1963. Which aligns with my prior comments but not much beyond that.
It also appears that it wore red paint prior….
I would be now looking for head badge mounting holes or the filled holes from a head badge.
The black was over the red, and maybe the original transfers are lurking there too. Then maybe the red was sprayed over another color?
As the current finish is nothing to applaud, I would go wet sand it with 400 grit and see what you can learn.
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Old 11-02-13, 07:23 PM
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I think you are spot on! I took out the fork and looked inside the head tube. I didn't see any sign of where holes had been filled in. Smooth as silk in there.
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I used some sandpaper to try to reveal any transfer but no luck. The were removed. The red was on the steerer so I'm guessing that was original. You helped me narrow it down to red bike, italian thread, 1959-'63, touring, with BB drain port. Thanks for the help so far. This is a tough ID.
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Old 11-04-13, 05:39 PM
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Could this be a Pinarello?
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Isn't the above time period a bit old for a Pinarello? The braze on under the DT are for a wire from a Dynamo right? The position of the hole on the seat stay/BB bridge would make me think this is certainly a touring or Randonneurer frame. Does it have to be Italian just because it has an Italian threaded BB shell?



Seems it would be odd routing to run through the guides under the DT just to through the clamp on guide.



What is the braze on closest to the BB on the chain stay?
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Odd...it is.
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I was thinking it was a French frame. Any new thoughts?
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