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Tomasso - What Year

Old 11-17-13, 11:35 PM
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Tomasso - What Year






Bought this raw frame about 8-9 years ago, approx 2003? NOS, never built up. It has languished in my garage. I believe it is 62cm. I am thinking of building it up now, but I need to get a bit more information about it.

I think it is a late 80's or early 90's Tomasso. Note the integrated cable routing on the top tube, chromed stays. Apparently a Billato Bros import for a Florida importer?

Looks alot like this bike on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Tomm...item20db5aeee4

And like this one: https://chuck.kichline.com/bikes/Tommaso/default.htm

It feels light, though I haven't weighed it yet. My plan is to lightly sand away the surface rust and have it powder-painted and them move over either a Shimano 600 set up or a 1980's camp NV group. Other than the bottom bracket, I think I have all of the required equipment to build it out. Need to check the dimensions of the rear triangle to see if it will hold a 130mm wheelset, otherwise it will be an old high-flange campy 6-speed type arrangement.

What is the best way to determine the bottom bracket type? I was thinking it would be great to find an old Phil-Woods cartridge type square-taper set up. Other good options that are findable? Any links to pictures of this vintage frame built-out and on the road?

Where is the best place for an new sticker set and what should I expect to spend?

Any recommended color schemes. I am tempted to paint it as a tribute to the Pinarello I lusted for when I was a boy - blood red, like the Ferrari color.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance
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Old 11-19-13, 08:04 AM
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I don't you can pin a year to these. I would suspect 10Spd Drive ordered huge lots of these to get the best pricing possible then simple painted and sold them as needed until supplies where exhausted. I think it could be possible that your frame was bought in a lot "size run" say in '88 but because of the size never sold. Then again it could have been one of the last frames bought before they went under. If there is a serial number someone might be able to compare it to theirs and pin something down.
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Old 11-19-13, 05:19 PM
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Will post serial number tonight

Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I don't you can pin a year to these. I would suspect 10Spd Drive ordered huge lots of these to get the best pricing possible then simple painted and sold them as needed until supplies where exhausted. I think it could be possible that your frame was bought in a lot "size run" say in '88 but because of the size never sold. Then again it could have been one of the last frames bought before they went under. If there is a serial number someone might be able to compare it to theirs and pin something down.
Thanks. Will post when I get home tonight.
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Wow the value of a little work...

So I opened up a box of 'elbow grease' tonight. Rust remover and fine grit sandpaper revealed:

> Found serial number stamped on BB - 260,001
> Found "62cm SL" stamped on the BB
> Found hand-written "SL 63 cm" in black marker on the down tube near bottom bracket

Post clean-up it looks ALOT more like a bike that could be restored and ridden! Excited about the frame size, exactly what I need.



The workmanship looks really good. Fun to think this frame was made almost 20+ years ago and this is the first build up. After I get the surface rust off, I am going to use a small buffer to really get it clean. Fun fact, the guy who ran the shop in Italy is living in China and has a page on LinkedIn.com where he describes all of the different brands he OEM'd. From his profile:

"Since 1954 Meneghello & Billato, as a lot of small bicycle frames factories in Padua area, was producing steel brazed frames for important Italian brands as Legnano-Coppi-Vicini-Boeris- Piave-Spezzotto- Pinarello-Scapin. I jointed my family business in 1978 and I learned the art of framebuilding and how to develop new road racing frames from the most experienced workers of the factory and from my father. Soon I started to expand our business to the foreign markets to increase the production. In 1979 a belgian company commissioned us the production of a cyclocross model and later some new road frames with Columbus tubing. On that year Mr. Gianni Giacomini became world champion with a Spezzotto bike with a custom frame made on my own. In 1981 I started to produce MTB frames with Reynolds tubing for a Californian frambuilder Ted Kirkbride , owner of Cicli Masi Inc, and later I extended the production to the road brand for several years. At the same time the Belgian company was bought by a big group in NL and I started to produce the complete CONCORDE range of frames for them, including their professional team PDM. Some of the PDM riders rode with those custom made bikes and won the most important races in 7 years ( Tour de France - Paris-roubaix- world cup- etc etc). Moreover, I was doing the same with other important brands, like: Greg leMond and Look Cycle (with its teams Credit Agricole-Kelme-Big Mat Aubier- etc). I also collaborated with many other international brands like Stevens from Germany, Cicli Fondriest ( and Simoni won a Giro D' Italia with one of my custom frames) , Casa Masferrer in Spain, Cinelli , Tommaso USA, Marin MTB USA , Diamond Back , Rossin, Pearl Bikes DE, Dynatek, and a lot of other professional brands in Italy , EU and USA."

Starting to get excited; should be ridable within a few months...

Any additional comments welcome. Plan to weigh the frame/fork this weekend.
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You sure you want to powdercoat this really nice frameset? Although powdercaoting is much more durable than paint in most instances, PC tends to lay on a bit thicker than paint and it sometimes results in the loss of crispness at the edges, especially at the lugs.....
That why a lot of C&V restorers/collectors would rather paint their frames......
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Originally Posted by LateStart View Post
Wow the value of a little work...

So I opened up a box of 'elbow grease' tonight. Rust remover and fine grit sandpaper revealed:

> Found serial number stamped on BB - 260,001
> Found "62cm SL" stamped on the BB
> Found hand-written "SL 63 cm" in black marker on the down tube near bottom bracket

Post clean-up it looks ALOT more like a bike that could be restored and ridden! Excited about the frame size, exactly what I need

The workmanship looks really good. Fun to think this frame was made almost 20+ years ago and this is the first build up. After I get the surface rust off, I am going to use a small buffer to really get it clean. Fun fact, the guy who ran the shop in Italy is living in China and has a page on LinkedIn.com where he describes all of the different brands he OEM'd. From his profile:

"Since 1954 Meneghello & Billato, as a lot of small bicycle frames factories in Padua area, was producing steel brazed frames for important Italian brands as Legnano-Coppi-Vicini-Boeris- Piave-Spezzotto- Pinarello-Scapin. I jointed my family business in 1978 and I learned the art of framebuilding and how to develop new road racing frames from the most experienced workers of the factory and from my father. Soon I started to expand our business to the foreign markets to increase the production. In 1979 a belgian company commissioned us the production of a cyclocross model and later some new road frames with Columbus tubing. On that year Mr. Gianni Giacomini became world champion with a Spezzotto bike with a custom frame made on my own. In 1981 I started to produce MTB frames with Reynolds tubing for a Californian frambuilder Ted Kirkbride , owner of Cicli Masi Inc, and later I extended the production to the road brand for several years. At the same time the Belgian company was bought by a big group in NL and I started to produce the complete CONCORDE range of frames for them, including their professional team PDM. Some of the PDM riders rode with those custom made bikes and won the most important races in 7 years ( Tour de France - Paris-roubaix- world cup- etc etc). Moreover, I was doing the same with other important brands, like: Greg leMond and Look Cycle (with its teams Credit Agricole-Kelme-Big Mat Aubier- etc). I also collaborated with many other international brands like Stevens from Germany, Cicli Fondriest ( and Simoni won a Giro D' Italia with one of my custom frames) , Casa Masferrer in Spain, Cinelli , Tommaso USA, Marin MTB USA , Diamond Back , Rossin, Pearl Bikes DE, Dynatek, and a lot of other professional brands in Italy , EU and USA."

Starting to get excited; should be ridable within a few months...

Any additional comments welcome. Plan to weigh the frame/fork this weekend.
Hmmm...I will be interested to hear what others say about the Linked In quote. To me, it seems that this guy built every important bike coming out of Italy. In other words, sounds like a "made up, BS" profile on Linked In. I would like to see documentation before fully believing this.

that being said...enjoy the Tommaso, they are great riding bikes!
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I have been thinking more and more about paint instead of PC. I have a very good relationship with a local body shop that would spray it for me. I very much like the kind of designs Pegoretti does and am thinking about how I could do something fun/different inspired by that approach. I don't have any fantasy of his level of quality, but a custom design using a few colors would be nice. This is going to be a Sunny Day 20-50 mile ride kind of bike. I think it would be fun to make my own headtube badge. The frame is not so special that it 'deserves' to be restored as a Tommasso with correct frame labels and such. I also don't like any of the historically correct images I have seen thus far. Working title for the bike so far is "Presidio"; don't think that has been used by anyone and it's a great bay area name for a bike.

With regard to Billato Bros, I read his LinkedIn claims differently. I don't think he was saying he 'made all of the bikes from each of those brands'. Rather I thought he made some bikes for each of those brands. Frome what I hear, the work was bid out and makers like LeMond used many different builders.

The same is true today in Taiwan; single factory churns out lots of different CF bikes for different brands. I don't find that hard to believe. Also makes sense that he is now in China as that is where all the bike labor has gone...
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