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Help ID this lugged frame with campy drop outs

Old 04-25-14, 06:29 PM
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Help ID this lugged frame with campy drop outs

Hello Bike Forum,

I recently try moved to a new city and have been on the search for a bike I could get cheaply and build up,a bit. I came across this bike, but as it has been given a crappy paint job and has had the head badge removed I don't know what it is.

Here's some pics.

Other info- campy drop outs

Two numbers on the bottom
58 and 59590

Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 04-25-14, 06:48 PM
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first thought upon seeing the head was italvega but they never used this crown. the nervar star chainset may be a clue. there were a few italian bike models in the early 1970's which fitted this component. one such manufacturer was bottecchia; but frame is not especially bottecchia looking.

afaik that model of headset went out of production about forty years ago.

for the forum to assist you better you might take some additional photos in improved light. a good image of the seat cluster could be a useful clue for readers. a black bicycle hiding in all that shadow is a bit difficult to see...
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Of course! Thank you for the suggestions.

It would be unreal if this frame was a bottecchia. 3 days before I moved my classic bottecchia was stolen from my old home. I was actually searching for another one when I moved from RI to CA. Not holding my breath, but it does look similar to some models of Bottecchia I saw online.

Hopefully these photos are a bit better.
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thank you for the additional images.

wrt the bottecchia model i mentioned. it was two down from the top and was equipped pretty much as the machine we are discussing. in addition to the nervar star chainset it was fitted with a campag nr gear ensemble and campag hubs. brakes were universal 61. the saddle pillar on the present machine has been replaced with a newer one. iirc the bottecchia model was called giro d'italia. the only livery i can recall seeing it in was a medium blue flambouyant but there must have been other schemes as well.

the seatstay cap shown in your photo looks like the bottecchia one.

identification suggestions:

if you plan to repack the headset have a look inside the head tube. there may be traces of the original finish. check to see if headplate fastener holes have been filled in. if so, take a measurement of their distance apart. we can compare the distance to that of a bottecchia.

if you venture into the bottom bracket take a look to see if there are any traces of the bicycle's original finish. are the ends of all four tubes visible there seamless or are the chainstays seamed?

check the lower end of the steerer to see if it has the rifling of a columbus tube.
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Ok, wow. What are the odds? The front brake is a universal 61.

I repacked the BB earlier this week, and didn't notice the paint- but I will be replacing the handbags in a weeks time, so I will look at the suggested points while doing that.

If this is a bottecchia I am going to be very very excited. Exactly what I wanted.
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the stem and bar set is also consistent with those fitted on a bottecchia giro d'italia.

dating estimate: ~MCMLXXII

question: what are the handbags you plan to replace?
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Oops, auto correct gets me every time. Handlebars is what I meant. Unreal that I stumbled upon another bottecchia.
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Originally Posted by Timshel401 View Post
Oops, auto correct gets me every time. Handlebars is what I meant. Unreal that I stumbled upon another bottecchia.
evidently you are simply a Teodoro Carnielli sort of person!
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found this photobucket album which includes the factory brochure for the giro d'italia of anno domini 1972:


GiroBrochure.jpg Photo by Vintage-Bikes | Photobucket

there were also carnielli machines produced under the carnielli nameplate.
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