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1964 Atala Grand Prix

Old 11-10-14, 11:24 PM
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1964 Atala Grand Prix

Found this bike last week while I wasn't looking. That usually happens Paint's in ok condition, with some chips and scratches. Chrome socks and chainstays will need some oxy soaking, and tinfoil rub to come alive again. It appears to have sat for a very long time. Equipped as follows:
Campy GS downtube shifters
Campy GS RD
Campy GS FD
Campy GS three piece hubs
Steel wheels (?)
3TTT stem and bars
Weinmann brakes
What appear to be Universal Mod. 61 levers.
A USED Wrights saddle. A little mis-shappen. Anyone know how to return a leather saddle to it's original shape?
Forged Campy drops w/RD hanger
Campy fork ends.
I'm assuming "Tullio" tubing for the frame.
Even has the "Atala" branded headset, and stem bolt cap still present.
Simplex steel cottered crank
Alloy chainwheels
Haven't checked the freewheel yet (5 speed)
It does posses one of the biggest dork disks I've seen though.
First two digits of the serial number, which are pretty darn faint, appear to be 64

Anyone car to throw out a value on this bike? I can find virtually no info on the web for this unit. It needs a complete teardown and resto. My only changes will be too find some period correct alloy clincher rims to lace the existing hubs to. And some new tires. Most certainly.
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Old 11-10-14, 11:25 PM
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Old 11-11-14, 07:12 AM
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Clean it, shine it...and ride it...who cares about the value? You already own it...and it sounds like you got it at a good price...
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Old 11-11-14, 08:12 AM
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Wheels as you may know are not original, tubulars would have been original, probably Nisi rims and Campagnolo Nuovo Tipo hubs, but maybe even record for marketing.
As it sits $100. With proper wheels (even 700c clinchers) treble that depending how it cleans up.

I would give it a major service and find a decent set of wheels.

And flip that seat clamp, the position pains me.
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Old 11-11-14, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nesteel View Post
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A USED Wrights saddle. A little mis-shappen. Anyone know how to return a leather saddle to it's original shape?
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Yeah, it's not very difficult. First, release the tension on the tension bolt. Then get it good and soaking wet, using no more water than necessary; that is, spray it with some water, let that soak in, add more, let that soak in, and repeat gradually until it won't take any more. You can then reshape it by hand. Sometimes a saddle will retain the restored shape as it dries; sometimes it will want to distort. If it starts to distort, crumple up newspapers and stuff them inside it, keeping it in the shape you want, then fold up a few sheets of newspaper into belts that you wrap around it and secure with tape. Not too much pressure, now, 'cuz that will leave marks. It shouldn't take much. Let it dry like that. Once it's dry, remove the newspapers, tighten up the tension bolt to take up any slack, but don't overdo it. Polish the surface with a little proofide, and you're done.

I wouldn't expect a saddle to tolerate many miles of use after this treatment. It's not that the treatment will damage it, but if it's damaged, the damage is already done.
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Old 11-11-14, 10:43 AM
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I think $100 is low, what with the Campagnolo drops and fancy lugs. I think the frame alone is worth that, but I wish we knew the tubing. Of course my values are a little skewed because here in NYC bikes are expensive. IMO, cleaned up that is a $300+ bike. People like chrome and anything Campy. As it is, maybe $150+. (right now, junkier late 70's Atalas bring $150-$200 on CL here).
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Sadly, the hubs would probably bring about the same price on eBay as the whole bike. If not more.
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Old 11-12-14, 01:33 PM
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lostarchitecht - op tells us tubeset is Tullio. this is a quality plain guage set.

frame's headlugs are Agrati BRIANZA. headset is Magistroni. pedals are Sheffield.

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there is some background/history information on this mark and its maker Rizzato at Classic Rendezvous in case you are interested.

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lostarchitecht - op tells us tubeset is Tullio. this is a quality plain guage set.
He says he assumes it's Tullio, not that it definitely is, which is why I said I wish I knew for sure what it was.

I would be kind of surprised if they built a frame with Campagnolo drops and Tullio tubes, but stranger things have happened.
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The last pic on my first post shows the decals on the seat tube. The lower one in that pic looks to be "tampoed" on with paint, but it's a bit worn and faded, but it sure appears that the word in black is "Tullio". There is no tubing decal, and no witness marks to suggest that there ever was one. I can tell you the brake bridge, and chainstay bridge are pretty plain. I was surprised when I looked at it and saw forged Campy dropouts and fork tips.
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Originally Posted by nesteel View Post
The last pic on my first post shows the decals on the seat tube. The lower one in that pic looks to be "tampoed" on with paint, but it's a bit worn and faded, but it sure appears that the word in black is "Tullio". There is no tubing decal, and no witness marks to suggest that there ever was one. I can tell you the brake bridge, and chainstay bridge are pretty plain. I was surprised when I looked at it and saw forged Campy dropouts and fork tips.

Interesting, I didn't notice the sticker. Looks like you're right. Crazy! What size is the seatpost?
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it was quite common at this era for italian mfrs to construct machines with 1010 ends and less than db tubing. cycle appears to be a midliner, perhaps one or two models up from the bottom.
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Interesting, I didn't notice the sticker. Looks like you're right. Crazy! What size is the seatpost?

The seatpost is 26.6. Not gas pipe territory, but nothing to write home about either. Oh, it did come with a pair of pant clips hanging on it that look to be the same vintage as the bike . Gettin' pretty close to a complete Cino Heroica ride
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there is a discussion here of the Tullio frame tubing set -

ITALIAN CYCLING JOURNAL: Tullio, Tubing for Frame Building

bicycle's stem and bar set looks to be 3TTT Turiste. have not before seen the Atala bolthead cap - great item!

how are you coming along with it nesteel, any new developments?
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Correct on the bars and stem. Bike is stripped down except for the drive side BB cup. It's stuck. Not much of a surprise. Currently searching for the correct tool for that, but may have to resort to one of the methods described in a recent thread here. I also need to find the proper puller for the Everest freewheel.
Other than sourcing a pair of 36 hole clincher rims and a proper seat post to replace the existing seat pin, everything else is usable. I will have to straighten one leg of the crank due to it being a little tweaked.
Frame seems light enough to make the bike lively and not dead feeling like an old gas pipe Schwinn.
Paint/chrome resto will begin next week, along with removing the ancient bike shop and license stickers. Previous owner also scratched the license number into the underside of the bottom bracket.
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search tip -

Everest and CAIMI are the same thing. so you could try this second name as well.
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Unless you are going to replace the BB, just leave the fixed cup in there. Just in case you haven't thought about, you are turning it correct way?
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