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Miele Mid 80s I think

Old 12-01-14, 08:19 AM
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Miele Mid 80s I think

Hey everyone, I need some help assessing the value of my 62cm Miele frame/fork. The frame and fork are in great shape and the headset is Shimano 600 and it is still in good shape too. The one issue is that the crank threads are stripped and I can't get the drive side crank off. I can thread my crank puller into the crank just fine and it is set good and straight but the threads are stripped enough that the crank will not come off. It is a pretty decent Shimano 600 crankset. From a functional point of view, I don't think this is a real big deal because the bottom bracket is still in good shape and it appears to spin smooth. Anyway, just looking for some opinions on what the frame, fork, headset, cranks and bottom bracket are worth. Hoping to sell on CL. Thanks everyone.

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Old 12-01-14, 09:14 AM
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Looks like a great frame. stein makes/made a tool to retap those threads to I think the same as the TA 23mm or whatever. The kit came with the tool and some single key releases.

Do I spy shipmano shifter bosses?
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The frame does have shifter bosses on the down tube.
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Look for a serial number on the lower rear of the seat tube. IIRC the first number is the date code.

There's a catalog from about 1986 HERE

You wanted a guess on local CL value for f/f/hs/stuck crank. I'd list it for $100, but not expect that much at sale.
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On the stuck crank...you can also use a gear puller...that would allow you to remove the crank...as a stuck crank (or any part) really devalues the rest of the frame...
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
On the stuck crank...you can also use a gear puller...that would allow you to remove the crank...as a stuck crank (or any part) really devalues the rest of the frame...
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Look for a serial number on the lower rear of the seat tube. IIRC the first number is the date code.

There's a catalog from about 1986 HERE

You wanted a guess on local CL value for f/f/hs/stuck crank. I'd list it for $100, but not expect that much at sale.
Thanks for the feedback. So, it seems like the opinion is that the frame set would be worth more if the cranks were removed. That begs the question, how much more?
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Originally Posted by fettsvenska View Post
Thanks for the feedback. So, it seems like the opinion is that the frame set would be worth more if the cranks were removed. That begs the question, how much more?
To me, it is not the question of actual $$$...if I knew the cranks were stuck...I would not even think about buying...stuck parts tend to, IMHO, indicate lack of maintenance and servicing...which could mean bigger problems. And...if you do not disclose that the cranks are stuck, then it is a lack integrity...so the seller can get caught between a rock and a hard place.

To me, with a stuck crank, this frame has no value...with the crank removed...probably 100-150...
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Originally Posted by fettsvenska View Post
The frame does have shifter bosses on the down tube.
But do they have a square base or pretty much no base at all? If those are the shimano style bosses you may want to leave the shifters one.

If you plan to keep and reuse that crank it might be good idea to try and hunt down that tool. Once you get it threaded oversized and install the self extractors the crank should last a long time.


This is the tool kit but they want 260 for it on Ebay but it doesn't seem to have bolts.

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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
And...if you do not disclose that the cranks are stuck, then it is a lack integrity...
I certainly wouldn't sell the frame set without disclosing that the cranks are stuck.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
But do they have a square base or pretty much no base at all? If those are the shimano style bosses you may want to leave the shifters one.

If you plan to keep and reuse that crank it might be good idea to try and hunt down that tool. Once you get it threaded oversized and install the self extractors the crank should last a long time.
I'll have to check on the type of shifter bosses when I get home tonight. I don't have any need for these cranks and I'm trying to get rid of the entire package. It seems like the general consensus is that the frame set would be much more attractive if the cranks were removed.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
But do they have a square base or pretty much no base at all?
I just had my wife take a close up and the bosses are not Shimano.
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Old 12-01-14, 03:24 PM
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Easier to sell with the crank removed, since it is buggered up . Just take it to a shop and have them get it off. As far as CL , I wouldn't take less than $100 . IMO, Ishiwata is under-rated , nice frameset you have there .
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Originally Posted by fettsvenska View Post
I certainly wouldn't sell the frame set without disclosing that the cranks are stuck.
Did not mean to insinuate that you would...just that a seller that didn't...illustrating the "rock and hard place"...sorry if you took it that way...did not mean that...
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I've found my cheap crank puller has a hard time on bad threads but the park tool cut in nicely and pulled out a stuck crank arm for me one after the other had failed.
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