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Old 12-11-14, 11:07 PM
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1984 Schwinn Tempo



Still in such of a winter project, as I've yet to hear back from the Lotus guy.
The person selling this is asking $400. Original owner with some new components and the old ones go with it. Says its a "23 inch frame" with a ~30 inch stand over height.
Your thoughts on the bike would be greatly appreciated and is it worth the asking price and an hour drive to look at it?
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Frame is positively not 23" for starters. Probably 21" at most. I've owned two Tempos and they are wonderful bikes. $400 in my opinion is way too high. $250 for a nice one is fair. I bought one in excellent condition for $90, but that was way under market. Sold it for $250 to a happy buyer. If you haven't already, check out the schwinn catalog for that model year. You can compare original spec to what is on it now.
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Frame is positively not 23" for starters. Probably 21" at most. I've owned two Tempos and they are wonderful bikes. $400 in my opinion is way too high. $250 for a nice one is fair. I bought one in excellent condition for $90, but that was way under market. Sold it for $250 to a happy buyer. If you haven't already, check out the schwinn catalog for that model year. You can compare original spec to what is on it now.
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Agree that this is smaller than 23"...also agree that 400 is way too high. In Atlanta, a Tempo like this, in good riding order would be less than 200...I would probably pass if the "price is firm" as the ad says...
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They sell for $250 to $300 in Chicago. The Record seat post and FD can add a bit of value but only if he is including the original pieces as well so you can sell off the Record pieces and extra saddle. If the bike is in great shape as listed, not the worst price. If it needs all new consumables not very good at all. You can get them cheaper but they may take some work. If you good with a wrench, cheaper can be good, if not......
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It is a 22" or 56cm frame, suitable for riders about 5'7" to 5'10". Looks and sounds to be in great condition.

There probably is $100 in extras, between the Record seat post, saddle, FD, pump, and rack. If you can get it for mid 300's, with the extras, it is a fair deal. Otherwise as others have mentioned, $250-$275.
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The schwinn specs say frames that year were 19", 21", 23" and 25". The subject bike looks like 21".
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Thanks everybody for your information and input. I greatly appreciate it.
the owner says "The top of the horizontal frame tube is 32 1/2 inches from the ground"
he says the price is firm. It's been on the market for a month.
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And if the price stays firm it will still be available when the snow melts.
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And if the price stays firm it will still be available when the snow melts.
Indeed. This time of year prices are lower even in sunny SoCal, where it's raining today. People are spending money on the holidays as well. I have a couple of projects that will have to wait until Spring to sell I am thinking. If the seller says the price is firm just keep looking.

For a mini rant his ad has WAY too many words. I don't like to have to search for the price and wade through a volume of descriptions and variables.
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It looks to be in good condition now and by the write-up, it sounds like it has been well taken care of.
$400 is way too high. I look thru the twin cities CL many times a week and that is a lot higher than similar quality and condition bikes.

The seller knows the bike is solid and is proud of it- its tough to get 'fair' value with those two things playing against you.
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BEcasue of the way the bike is leaning it looks like a 23 to me, If I recall Schwinn measured center to top.
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It's a 23 inch frame, hard to see the head tube but it's too big to be a 21 and too small to be a 27.

Agreed that a good price would be $250-300 and there's an easy $100 worth of extras there but that doesn't mean you should pay an extra $100 for the bike.

Personally, I like a CL listing that tells a story and gives me details. If well-written, it often means the seller is, well, one of us.
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"The top of the horizontal frame tube is 32 1/2 inches from the ground.

I am about 5' 11" tall and wear a 32 inch inseam in jeans, and the bike
fits me well."
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I'm the same height and my Tempos have the same stand over dimension and they are 23's.

As a side note, my personal preference is for the 87 or 88 Tempo, as they came with almost full Shimano 105, which over time has proven to be pretty much bombproof while looking good. Wish Schwinn had used 105 hubs and good rims (like Centurion and Cannondale) instead of Maillards and Rigidas, however. Those Rigida Rims are prone to developing wheel hop and finding parts for Maillard hubs is darn near impossible.
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Agreed that a good price would be $250-300 and there's an easy $100 worth of extras there but that doesn't mean you should pay an extra $100 for the bike.
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Those beautiful works of art you build and sell sure do get a lot of money for the extra`s.
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Thanks everybody for your information and input. I greatly appreciate it.
the owner says "The top of the horizontal frame tube is 32 1/2 inches from the ground"
he says the price is firm. It's been on the market for a month.
Tempos are great bikes, I have two, currently, and a spare frame.
I sold a mint 23" to someone in Cincinnati this past summer for $200. This was a dead stock, barely ridden model.
Agreed with the BF member re. the later model with the 105. My, I believe '87, with 105 components, is my do everything, I don't want a problem on this ride, bike.
That said - no matter what, I wouldn't pay much more than $250 for a Tempo in Ohio, even with extras. Your market is higher, but I would wait. Some sellers want to price high and wait. There could be that buyer that jumps - that is true. I have offered sellers premiums on their offerings over market - lower than their price - and have been refused. Most times that item sits on eBay or CL, sometimes not. The $200 mint, unridden Tempo was $100 purchase, and $100 of consumables and labor. I have learned that patience pays.
As a side note:
I really want a stripped Trek 520 frame on eBay listed at $250. The seller had it listed as 531 tubing, and must have been drinking the $800 Trek 520 kool-aid in pricing his frame. I corrected the seller on the tubing, 501 rolled, and offered $150. I told him the frame was worth $100, and if he/she did not believe the $100, we could ask the BF members what they thought of the value. I got a 1/2 page dissertation in an email on how BF Members undervalue C&V bikes. BS - I have found BF members know what they are talking about - and it takes patience.
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Not an outlier deal, just patience. Frame and fork for $185 + $35 for shipping.

Schwinn Tempo Frame and Fork 21 034 53cm 1988 Frameset Columbus Tenax SL | eBay
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I have a Schwinn Circuit that I built up from a frame. It has a Chris King Headset, Jell flow Flight saddle, Tri Color brakes and derailleurs, 105 Brifters, Mavic Reflex Rims with 600 hubs with a Sram 8 speed cassette, and a Superbe Pro Crankset. If I tried to sell it on CL for what its worth and someone posted my listing here, I would see people say its only worth $200 to $250.

The OP bike is overpriced. You can get a Tempo cheaper. I have seen some really nice builds here. People adding racks and fenders and really nice touches to bikes making them works of art. I think you should be able to sell a decked out bike for more than the same bike stock. There are people who like the looks but do not want to take the time out of their busy lives to do it themselves. Why we as a group would say that adds no value has me confused?
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I have an '84 Tempo I picked up last year. It was totally stock when I got it and ridden very little. The only adjustments I've made are the addition of randonneur bars for less drop, Regal saddle, 105 aero brake levers for aesthetics, and 600 pedals because I had 'em around. It's my #1 bike when I just want to ride. It's fast, agile, and light (Tange Champion 2 all around). I might pay $300 for another one in the same condition. For $400 I'd find something even better; $400 is a lot for vintage steel and the options really open up. (Full disclosure: I paid $100 for this one, because sometimes ya just get lucky.)

Short version: I love the bike.

Here's mine as purchased and as it sits:



EDIT: I changed up the decals too. The original scheme was ugly as sin. Yellow and white over champagne? I hope somebody lost their job over that one.
EDIT 2: Also, this one's a 21". Looking at the head tube, the OP's example is definitely 23.
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I picked up an almost completely stock Premis once in the neighborhood of 75 bucks, that was a steal and underpriced (didn't even need consumables), this Tempo is too early yearwise and too overpriced both.
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The way I look at it, the extras are what the seller thought were worthwhile upgrades, not necessarily what I would want to pay extra for. I think a lot of us know what we want and have opinions on what we want to buy for our bikes. Expecting that someone should pay extra for perceived upgrades is not a bygone conclusion. If it were me, I would sell the seat post and derailleur separately. I would put the original saddle on the bike, put a basic seatpost in there, and include all the rest with the sale for $250. As for the bike being serviced "about 2 or 3 years ago", that doesn't equal freshly serviced as far as I'm concerned. My opinion is the seller is lazy and doesn't want to do the work required to sell the bike.
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I picked up a 1987 Schwinn Voyageur for $140 that needs a complete overhaul. I have the tools and like doing the work. I picked up a second Schwinn Circuit with Sante components but upgraded with Dura Ace 8 speed downtube shifters rear hub, RD and cassette for $100 that needs a complete overhaul but I have the tools and like doing the work. Not everyone does like it, so they need to pay more.
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I have a Schwinn Circuit that I built up from a frame. It has a Chris King Headset, Jell flow Flight saddle, Tri Color brakes and derailleurs, 105 Brifters, Mavic Reflex Rims with 600 hubs with a Sram 8 speed cassette, and a Superbe Pro Crankset. If I tried to sell it on CL for what its worth and someone posted my listing here, I would see people say its only worth $200 to $250
I don't think that's true. I think collectively that it would come in at $400 or more. I think we would also say that it has more value parted out.
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I don't think that's true. I think collectively that it would come in at $400 or more. I think we would also say that it has more value parted out.
Yes that`s what I mean. It confuses me. I put $500 worth of components on a a nice frame and make it look real nice, as soon as the parts go on the bike they are worth less.

The Schwinn Frame & Fork listed above cost a total of $220 shipped. You need to put at least $300 worth of components on the bike and it is only worth $300 to $350?
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