Valuation of Medici Pro Strada
03-21-15, 07:28 PM
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Valuation of Medici Pro Strada
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Wondering what this might be worth. It is a 61 w/ full Campy Record and Medici water bottle and stem. Also has "M" in bottom bracket. Can't quite read the serial number paint makes it hard to see. It is in excellent condition and seems to be all original.
Thanks for the help.
Wondering what this might be worth. It is a 61 w/ full Campy Record and Medici water bottle and stem. Also has "M" in bottom bracket. Can't quite read the serial number paint makes it hard to see. It is in excellent condition and seems to be all original.
Thanks for the help.
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03-21-15, 07:44 PM
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Pretty bike. I would love to try one but never came across the right deal. For lack of a tape measure I almost scored one at Trexlertown a few years ago. How can you selling bikes but not have a tape measure?
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03-24-15, 12:08 AM
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So any thoughts on the valuation part? While I'm just as excited as the next guy by the lively tape measure conversation I was hopeful that someone might be of help with figuring out what my whip is worth.
03-26-15, 05:15 AM
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I'll give it a stab...on a craigslist deal, 500-600 and expect it to sit for a long while. On ebay, add $200 and then subtract 100 for fees. The negatives are the history of Medici leaves a bad taste in most mouths and the size limits the market. The positives are condition and the gruppo. I'd say generally Medici sells for 20% less than a comparable quality bike. They're likely excellent value.
03-26-15, 05:22 AM
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If it were a bit smaller, I would offer the $500 right now...so...I guess that is about my valuation of the bike! Nice looking bike!
03-26-15, 09:08 AM
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Finally was allowed to look at the images.
My take:
I think the bike is quite interesting. It might have a liberated (I saw this term before and thought it was quite benign considering) Masi M punched Fischer bottom bracket shell.
It also has a Fischer fork crown. Some key images are missing for me, but it might have "Masi" lugs too… but it has the later Medici graphics…
The image of the bottom bracket is too poor to read the stampings, however, the stamping configuration is more Masi like than Medici.
Medici did use Masi fittings on their very early bikes. The introductory brochure shows this even.
I would like to see a head on view of the fork without the front wheel, maybe even showing a bit of the underside of the crown and without brake. Close ups of the lugs, including the seat lug front and back without the pump in place.
A good chance what is shown is a Carlsbad Masi modified with updated cable routing such, with Second generation Medici graphics. The early Medici graphics did not yet have the shooting stars and the Pro-Strada was black type and yellow outline and drop shadow. The early bikes did not get matching painted pumps either. They were lucky to get paint at all! Lucky are the few who got a Brian Baylis painted early bike but those would have the investment cast "Mario" lugs.
Now, why would someone do that?
An interesting question, at the time my guess this bike was painted, the Medici/Masi story was not well known. I guess '83ish for the respray.
Medici did sponsor a local club for a time… "Paint to match Sponsor"? A guy riding a Masi for a Medici team would be abnormal even back then.
Value? As a Medici, better off parted out. As a Masi, which I think it is under the paint, $1,000 or more. Best value but not necessarily good return on investment would be restored to closer to original braze on configuration and painted as a Carlsbad Masi. I could refine that value with the additional images noted.
My take:
I think the bike is quite interesting. It might have a liberated (I saw this term before and thought it was quite benign considering) Masi M punched Fischer bottom bracket shell.
It also has a Fischer fork crown. Some key images are missing for me, but it might have "Masi" lugs too… but it has the later Medici graphics…
The image of the bottom bracket is too poor to read the stampings, however, the stamping configuration is more Masi like than Medici.
Medici did use Masi fittings on their very early bikes. The introductory brochure shows this even.
I would like to see a head on view of the fork without the front wheel, maybe even showing a bit of the underside of the crown and without brake. Close ups of the lugs, including the seat lug front and back without the pump in place.
A good chance what is shown is a Carlsbad Masi modified with updated cable routing such, with Second generation Medici graphics. The early Medici graphics did not yet have the shooting stars and the Pro-Strada was black type and yellow outline and drop shadow. The early bikes did not get matching painted pumps either. They were lucky to get paint at all! Lucky are the few who got a Brian Baylis painted early bike but those would have the investment cast "Mario" lugs.
Now, why would someone do that?
An interesting question, at the time my guess this bike was painted, the Medici/Masi story was not well known. I guess '83ish for the respray.
Medici did sponsor a local club for a time… "Paint to match Sponsor"? A guy riding a Masi for a Medici team would be abnormal even back then.
Value? As a Medici, better off parted out. As a Masi, which I think it is under the paint, $1,000 or more. Best value but not necessarily good return on investment would be restored to closer to original braze on configuration and painted as a Carlsbad Masi. I could refine that value with the additional images noted.
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03-26-15, 10:17 AM
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Finally was allowed to look at the images.
My take:
I think the bike is quite interesting. It might have a liberated (I saw this term before and thought it was quite benign considering) Masi M punched Fischer bottom bracket shell.
It also has a Fischer fork crown. Some key images are missing for me, but it might have "Masi" lugs too… but it has the later Medici graphics…
The image of the bottom bracket is too poor to read the stampings, however, the stamping configuration is more Masi like than Medici.
Medici did use Masi fittings on their very early bikes. The introductory brochure shows this even.
I would like to see a head on view of the fork without the front wheel, maybe even showing a bit of the underside of the crown and without brake. Close ups of the lugs, including the seat lug front and back without the pump in place.
A good chance what is shown is a Carlsbad Masi modified with updated cable routing such, with Second generation Medici graphics. The early Medici graphics did not yet have the shooting stars and the Pro-Strada was black type and yellow outline and drop shadow. The early bikes did not get matching painted pumps either. They were lucky to get paint at all! Lucky are the few who got a Brian Baylis painted early bike but those would have the investment cast "Mario" lugs.
Now, why would someone do that?
An interesting question, at the time my guess this bike was painted, the Medici/Masi story was not well known. I guess '83ish for the respray.
Medici did sponsor a local club for a time… "Paint to match Sponsor"? A guy riding a Masi for a Medici team would be abnormal even back then.
Value? As a Medici, better off parted out. As a Masi, which I think it is under the paint, $1,000 or more. Best value but not necessarily good return on investment would be restored to closer to original braze on configuration and painted as a Carlsbad Masi. I could refine that value with the additional images noted.
My take:
I think the bike is quite interesting. It might have a liberated (I saw this term before and thought it was quite benign considering) Masi M punched Fischer bottom bracket shell.
It also has a Fischer fork crown. Some key images are missing for me, but it might have "Masi" lugs too… but it has the later Medici graphics…
The image of the bottom bracket is too poor to read the stampings, however, the stamping configuration is more Masi like than Medici.
Medici did use Masi fittings on their very early bikes. The introductory brochure shows this even.
I would like to see a head on view of the fork without the front wheel, maybe even showing a bit of the underside of the crown and without brake. Close ups of the lugs, including the seat lug front and back without the pump in place.
A good chance what is shown is a Carlsbad Masi modified with updated cable routing such, with Second generation Medici graphics. The early Medici graphics did not yet have the shooting stars and the Pro-Strada was black type and yellow outline and drop shadow. The early bikes did not get matching painted pumps either. They were lucky to get paint at all! Lucky are the few who got a Brian Baylis painted early bike but those would have the investment cast "Mario" lugs.
Now, why would someone do that?
An interesting question, at the time my guess this bike was painted, the Medici/Masi story was not well known. I guess '83ish for the respray.
Medici did sponsor a local club for a time… "Paint to match Sponsor"? A guy riding a Masi for a Medici team would be abnormal even back then.
Value? As a Medici, better off parted out. As a Masi, which I think it is under the paint, $1,000 or more. Best value but not necessarily good return on investment would be restored to closer to original braze on configuration and painted as a Carlsbad Masi. I could refine that value with the additional images noted.
Who would want to hide a Masi under Medici paint? It's either very subtle humor (similar to my intention of putting Windsor decals on my Cinelli), or very strange.
03-26-15, 10:29 AM
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As pictured I would think that's a $1000 bike.
03-26-15, 11:20 AM
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That's really interesting Repechage...I just assumed the parts were "liberated", so didn't look too critically at the Masi similarities. On the "M" on the BB, I thought M, Masi...Medici...just punch it.
Who would want to hide a Masi under Medici paint? It's either very subtle humor (similar to my intention of putting Windsor decals on my Cinelli), or very strange.
Who would want to hide a Masi under Medici paint? It's either very subtle humor (similar to my intention of putting Windsor decals on my Cinelli), or very strange.
From the perspective of history today, indeed, why dress up a Masi as a Medici? My best guess is at the time it was not so outrageous, the Medici/Masi intrigue was known but not well known even in Southern California back at the date I figure the bike was transformed. "When you're strange…"
03-26-15, 11:24 AM
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I definitely agree about the liberation aspect...that's why it didn't occur to me that it could be a Masi under the paint. I just assumed it was Medici being Medici.
A better name for the brand may have been Borgia
A better name for the brand may have been Borgia
03-26-15, 01:19 PM
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Drink up, never mind the slightly sweet metallic taste… its the local minerals in the water… good for you.
03-26-15, 10:43 PM
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Got a call from Bob Hovey today. He told me it was a Masi in Medici clothes. 75-76 era. I lost his email but he said that someone sent him the pics so I assume it was from here. If so please forward him this info.
Date stamp: 02 61
Serial: 060 ? The overpaint makes this hard to see. It is definitely 3 digits though.
Also next to the M stamp on the bb it has what looks to be "+G"
Thanks everyone.
Date stamp: 02 61
Serial: 060 ? The overpaint makes this hard to see. It is definitely 3 digits though.
Also next to the M stamp on the bb it has what looks to be "+G"
Thanks everyone.
03-27-15, 07:52 AM
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I think if you read Mr. Hovey's article on Masi serial numbers things will become clear.
03-27-15, 12:42 PM
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To me it looks like a Medici with a Masi bottom bracket.
I don't know when everybody started routing the cables under the bottom bracket. I thought around 1980
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I don't know when everybody started routing the cables under the bottom bracket. I thought around 1980
Nice riding bikes.
Here is a blog about somebody going to prison.
forward youth: The Devil Wore Red
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