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Old 09-17-21, 03:04 PM
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FS: Blue Ciocc frame & Fork only

So i picked this frame and fork up on vacation in Florida about a year or so ago, i could'nt resist the blue..
since then i have gotten some other bikes locally and iv'e got too many to fix up.

I have read a good few posts on the what is it CIOCC tubing ect ect... and from what i understand its a bit of a minefield of info, so will post as many pictures as i am able to on here,
anyone who has interest can email me and we can correspond further, I'm looking for $300.00 plus shipping or reasonable offers.
points of note:-
1. It has a 27.2 seat stem tube.
2. It has a columbus gold sticker.
3. 126mm rear spacing
4. It has the Ten Speed drive logo on the bridge stay.
5. i measure at 23 inch seat tube which is around 58.5 cm
6. Seat stem is not included but is shown to prove seat tube diameter its just a fork and frame.

debate away on what tubing or frame it might be, im not going to state an opinion, its would make a nice riding bike. has some chips and a couple scratches but the blue shines nicely.
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Nice bike at a good price. That is a Columbus SL sticker and you should see or feel little ridges inside the steering tube. I rode my blue one (Chuck, I call him) today and a wonderful ride as always.
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Is that measured CTC or CTT (seat tube)?
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Hmm, my size and no Italians in the fleet. I could be like @Spaghetti Legs !
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Old 09-17-21, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
Nice bike at a good price. That is a Columbus SL sticker and you should see or feel little ridges inside the steering tube. I rode my blue one (Chuck, I call him) today and a wonderful ride as always.
Is it a San Cristobal?
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Old 09-17-21, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Hmm, my size and no Italians in the fleet. I could be like @Spaghetti Legs !
If this was measured out at 56 or 57, I could not have emailed more quickly. Grail bike of sorts, but definitely want it to fit. Lucky you, if you choose to pursue!
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To the center or lowest part of the seat tube.

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Is that measured CTC or CTT (seat tube)?
to the center or the lowest part of the seat tube.
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What model

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Is it a San Cristobal?
who knows the research was a bit complex..
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
Is it a San Cristobal?
given no chrome it's not a San Cristobal of any vintage (Pelizzoli or Bonati) but not sure what a TSD model with all solid color paint yet a Columbus SL decal might have been called. Their catalog shows similar all-blue (and all-red) paint but with Aelle tubing decals as "Tri-Sport" "budget models"...yours may be something unique that has no model name. found a catalog scan that shows them, also note that one pic shows they also bear the "Designer '84" sticker" so...who knows? https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Ciocc(tsd)/7.jpg
Even those that were deacaled as "Mockba '80", "Designer '8X" (there were 2 different years IIRC), or "San Cristobal" still showed some variation in details over the years, so as mentioned these things are difficult to pin down.
I don't think either Pelizzoli or TSD put much into distinguishing models or giving them names.

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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
given no chrome it's not a San Cristobal of any vintage (Pelizzoli or Bonati) but not sure what a TSD model with all solid color paint yet a Columbus SL decal might have been called. Their catalog shows similar all-blue (and all-red) paint but with Aelle tubing decals as "Tri-Sport" "budget models"...yours may be something unique that has no model name. found a catalog scan that shows them, also note that one pic shows they also bear the "Designer '84" sticker" so...who knows? https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Ciocc(tsd)/7.jpg
Even those that were deacaled as "Mockba '80", "Designer '8X" (there were 2 different years IIRC), or "San Cristobal" still showed some variation in details over the years, so as mentioned these things are difficult to pin down.
I don't think either Pelizzoli or TSD put much into distinguishing models or giving them names.
Correct. The San Cristobal mounted in Pelizzoli’s shop has a chrome fork. There’s a picture in my files somewhere from when we visited his shop in 2015.
And he was notoriously lax in putting model names on his frames, even though he differentiated them during ordering.
My guess is like Hugh’s- likely Columbus SL.

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Any love for the Chuch?
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Any love for the Chuch?
"Love"? OMG YES! Wish my legs' were a little bit longer. I have a similar 10 Speed Drive.

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198? Ciöcc by frogbutter_1, on Flickr
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"Love"? OMG YES! Wish my legs' were a little bit longer. I have a similar 10 Speed Drive.

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198? Ciöcc by frogbutter_1, on Flickr
what size is that one?
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
what size is that one?
56/57
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56/57
Thought so. That’s my size...
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just read (more closely) the details of that one catalog page scan I had posted, and even tho there's a background pic of a red-painted frame (with "Designer '84 sticker) the specs only say the Aelle Tri-Sport as having blue paint, nothing about any other colors. Also for this frame the sizes jump by 3cm so in the middle range you have 54 then 57.
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From what i see on flea bay i have under priced this frame, i'm surprised that no one has grabbed it last bump before i pull it off here.
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I had a Designer 84 that was too large for me but rode like magic. Such a good bike and despite downsizing my collection the right size CIOCC would find room. I bet this will make someone a great ride and think someone should grab this.

Mine went to a bike mechanic buddy and he's loving it. Even road it last year for the Salt to Saint 400+ mile bike relay here in Utah.

Someone should snap this up.
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May build it

If it doesn’t sell I may just build
it, there has been several comments like yours that are making me wonder if I will enjoy riding it …
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I tried to sell mine here, also blue, but Columbus EL a few years ago. Not even a nibble so I gave up. It’s kind of beat up, so I decided to squeeze some 29 mm tires on it and use it as my primary gravel rider. I’m still having a lot of fun with it riding both paved and dirt.
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I tried to sell mine here, also blue, but Columbus EL a few years ago. Not even a nibble so I gave up. It’s kind of beat up, so I decided to squeeze some 29 mm tires on it and use it as my primary gravel rider. I’m still having a lot of fun with it riding both paved and dirt.
That surprises me, really. Is it an "off" sized frame?
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GEEEZ that is tempting. A Coicc has been circling the back of my brain for years along with a Medici, a Bertoni MAX frame and few other oddish ducks.

Unfortunately I'd have to sell something to bring that in, I was hoping to sell my MAX Boarala cross frame this winter just to get to an even 10.
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