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Old 06-08-22, 01:10 PM
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FS- Waterford made Paramount (24" frame) $875

...bright yellow Schwinn Paramount, from the early 80's.







Mostly Dura Ace- indexed shifting that works well, brakes, hubs, crank, etc.

You'd have to pay for the shipping. It's in excellent shape, but the bar tape is black now, and I have never been able to find brake lever rubbers that are specifically fitted to the early Dura Ace levers. So it has some Cane Creek hoods that seem to fit better than anything else I tried. I still ride it, but I have a lot of bikes, and my wife is getting anxious about it.
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...apparently I can't change the original title, but the asking price is $875. If anyone with moderator powers sees this, I'd appreciate it if you changed it in the title listing.
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price seems a little low either way
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Beautiful bike. Too big for me. Too bad, I’ve always wanted a yellow bike. In fact, original my Zullo was to be refinished yellow but at the last minute changed to orange. Good luck with the sale, that’s a good price.
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Originally Posted by Classtime
price seems a little low either way

...worth it to avoid divorce.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...worth it to avoid divorce.
S-1, while less popular than n+1, is actually the more important regulating equation. Which is why this both your bikes must pass before my eyes. GLWS
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...worth it to avoid divorce.
Results vary.
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S-1, while less popular than n+1, is actually the more important regulating equation. Which is why this both your bikes must pass before my eyes. GLWS
Don't forget about the [MENTION=381793]gugie[/MENTION] zero bike concept. Got any family or old friends out in Cali that could stash you an almost read to ride bike in a garage, basement, or shed?
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Don't forget about the [MENTION=381793]gugie[/MENTION] zero bike concept. Got any family or old friends out in Cali that could stash you an almost read to ride bike in a garage, basement, or shed?
...I actually did that for a while, with a mountain bike up in Tahoe. But it was with her sister, who lives up there. So I could kiss that one goodbye if we split up.
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Serial number would be appreciated!🤗
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...apparently I can't change the original title, but the asking price is $875. If anyone with moderator powers sees this, I'd appreciate it if you changed it in the title listing.
Pro tip: You can get that changed by reporting your own post and asking for the title change.
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...apparently I can't change the original title, but the asking price is $875. If anyone with moderator powers sees this, I'd appreciate it if you changed it in the title listing.
Done.

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Serial number would be appreciated!🤗
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...despite my best efforts, I can find no serial number for this frame. Nothing on the BB shell, or either dropout, nothing on the seat lug.
It's always been sort of mysterious in that regard, though obviously painted with the factory Imron they used, and pretty obviously not a counterfeit.

I have no explanation, unless it's on the steerer. I did drop the fork when I originally got the bike and serviced it. But I didn't look there at the time.
The seat post diameter is 27.2, so I presume it's one of their Columbus or Reynolds tubing frames. And it's definitely a 24" frame, by measure of the seat tube.

This year of Dura Ace is probably my favorite of all time, and I wish someone made hoods to fit those early levers. This is a good excuse to polish it up and ride it for a while.
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...despite my best efforts, I can find no serial number for this frame. Nothing on the BB shell, or either dropout, nothing on the seat lug.
It's always been sort of mysterious in that regard, though obviously painted with the factory Imron they used, and pretty obviously not a counterfeit.

I have no explanation, unless it's on the steerer. I did drop the fork when I originally got the bike and serviced it. But I didn't look there at the time.
The seat post diameter is 27.2, so I presume it's one of their Columbus or Reynolds tubing frames. And it's definitely a 24" frame, by measure of the seat tube.

This year of Dura Ace is probably my favorite of all time, and I wish someone made hoods to fit those early levers. This is a good excuse to polish it up and ride it for a while.
I don’t think the absence of a serial number is unusual for the time period. As I understand, during the transition from Chicago made Paramounts to those produced in Waterford, there was some strange things going on. I heard that in the early years, the staff could build personal frames during the off hours. The practice was stopped when the ramp up for the 50th Anniversary Edition started. These weren’t part of the production system. It could be one of those.
Anyway, it’s a great bike! Hope you can keep it.
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Most likely the serial number is buried in the paint on the left rear dropout and is in the Chicago format; two digit year, month letter code, and frame number made that month. My best guess is it is a late '84 or early '85. Look at the dropout and see if you can spot any indentations in the paint surface. Sometimes rubbing wax or polish on that area can enhance visibility. Beautiful bike and great price.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
Most likely the serial number is buried in the paint on the left rear dropout and is in the Chicago format; two digit year, month letter code, and frame number made that month. My best guess is it is a late '84 or early '85. Look at the dropout and see if you can spot any indentations in the paint surface. Sometimes rubbing wax or polish on that area can enhance visibility. Beautiful bike and great price.
...I put it back in the riding lineup day before yesterday, so I'll look where you suggest. I'm hopeful, but not that hopeful. I figured about that date, from the component group, which appears original to the bike. I had forgotten how much fun this is to ride. Even the angriest of motorists seem to calm down a little when you're on a bright yellow bicycle.
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Bike vs. Wife

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...worth it to avoid divorce.
It's cheaper to keep her.... The wife that is....

Several friends have been facing that dilemma lately... Both decided the wives were cheaper to keep!

Definition of a bachelor/bachelorette: Someone who never made the same mistake ONCE!

Getting back to bikes, I've come across 3 of those 1980's Waterford Paramounts over the past few years. They all had Columbus frames. Too bad or good thing that they were too big for me....

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...happy wife, happy life. Ignore it at your personal peril. This one isn't moving, even at this price, so I guess I'll list a few more.
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...happy wife, happy life. Ignore it at your personal peril. This one isn't moving, even at this price, so I guess I'll list a few more.
See honey, no one is buying these old bikes.....

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...price drop to $650. Different year, different price. I've been riding it, but I still need to sell some stuff.
I figure at that price, someone who wants it might be able to afford the shipping. would like to see it go to an appreciative owner.

Bike Flights is probably the safest and would be simplest for me. I will work with you, if you have some alternative you want to try.
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...price drop to $650. Different year, different price. I've been riding it, but I still need to sell some stuff.
I figure at that price, someone who wants it might be able to afford the shipping. would like to see it go to an appreciative owner.

Bike Flights is probably the safest and would be simplest for me. I will work with you, if you have some alternative you want to try.
Dang, this is weird! Seems like a Paramount of this quality would move quickly in your area. I have a 61cm, 84 Waterford Paramount FS in process. It came with a well worn Dura-Ace group. The FS has been powder coated & new decals installed. Even with a lot of replacement parts, it would never look as good as yours.

You may want to delete this post & create a new one with the price only in the body. Do you use Craig’s List? You might try your area as well as some of the SF locations.
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...bright yellow Schwinn Paramount, from the early 80's.

Mostly Dura Ace- indexed shifting that works well, brakes, hubs, crank, etc.

You'd have to pay for the shipping. It's in excellent shape, but the bar tape is black now, and I have never been able to find brake lever rubbers that are specifically fitted to the early Dura Ace levers. So it has some Cane Creek hoods that seem to fit better than anything else I tried. I still ride it, but I have a lot of bikes, and my wife is getting anxious about it.
What's the size C-T in cm? Do you know what the tubing is?
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What's the size C-T in cm? Do you know what the tubing is?
...Waterford was using Columbus tubing in those years. I'm uncertain which, SL or SLX, but my guess for a larger frame like this would be SL. It has no tubing sticker on the frame.
I measure c-c, so 24" c-c is probably gonna come out to about a 62, if you measure c-t. I can double check for you later, if I can find my metric tape.
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Dang, this is weird! Seems like a Paramount of this quality would move quickly in your area. I have a 61cm, 84 Waterford Paramount FS in process. It came with a well worn Dura-Ace group. The FS has been powder coated & new decals installed. Even with a lot of replacement parts, it would never look as good as yours.

You may want to delete this post & create a new one with the price only in the body. Do you use Craig’s List? You might try your area as well as some of the SF locations.
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...thanks, I probably will delete this thread, and maybe run up a copy of my local CL ad down in the Bay Area. But all the money seems to be chasing other stuff right now, like brifters and lighter frames.

Meanwhile, I continue to ride it and enjoy it. I thought I would give this place one more try, so I put up four relatively nice bikes at what I thought were pretty low prices, thinking it might encourage people by allowing some savings for shipping. I'd like for them to end up with someone who enjoys them, as have I. Thinking I'll need to suck it up and deal with the evil overlords at e-bay. It will be good discipline for me...I guess.
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