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1972 Chrome Schwinn Paramount P15-9

Old 03-28-15, 12:01 AM
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Personal note to [MENTION=283587]Hoss Cartright[/MENTION]: yours looks to be just about my size, so if you ever want to sell that thing... well, I'd probably mortgage my kids and sell the house into slavery or something.
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Makes me want to know the stories behind the ones that I have seen. I have only seen one 74 full chrome, it was a track bike, and yes it came through the estate of a big wig at schwinn. The 73's on the otherhand, I have seen a half dozen or so, p13 p14 and p15's. Now you got me wondering if they unofficially went ahead on some of the 73 pre-orders for full chrome. Neat bulletin thanks for sharing.
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Just wondering about the P2 stamped under the BB. Did that ever get resolved as to why some Paramounts are stamped with P and a number and some have no marking in that area?
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The ones with a p are from pioneer mfg.
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Chrome Paramounts are stunning looking bikes, and the red handlebar tape looks great with them.

Thanks for the interesting historical note regarding the cost of chrome plating versus retail price controls. One of my high school chums had a 1960 Continental which his father had sandblasted and chrome dipped where he worked (drilling equipment manufacturer). Even it looked good, but nothing like a Paramount.
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Good golly that is glorious.

I can't believe that there are some people that think there is such a concept of "too much chrome." Nope. Chrome dominates.

If you ever want to sell that bike- it's my size. Thank you.
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Thanks for all the comments. I forgot to mention the bike size is a 22"(56cm). For now I'm going to leave it original maybe look for a GT-300 "Le Tour" derailer and hold on to the Gran Turismo. The family could not locate the toe clips and straps. From research I know the originals were Christophe clips and Alfredo Binda straps. Could someone who has a 72 Paramount with the originals show what they look like? There are many styles. Thanks.
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For now I'm going to leave it original maybe look for a GT-300 "Le Tour" derailer and hold on to the Gran Turismo.
Say 'eff it' and get a Cyclone and continue the domination.
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
Say 'eff it' and get a Cyclone and continue the domination.
Ok, maybe a Suntour Cyclone. Saw where they shift better.
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Originally Posted by Brittster
Ok, maybe a Suntour Cyclone. Saw where they shift better.
And they're really classy looking.
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Originally Posted by Brittster
The family could not locate the toe clips and straps. From research I know the originals were Christophe clips and Alfredo Binda straps.
The factory spec. books aren't always 100% correct, but they do list Christophe medium size clips (Schwinn p/n 47 000) and Lapize straps (47 005) for the Paramounts in '72:
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The 1973 Parts & Accessories catalog lists both 47 000 (Toe clips, Christopher, medium) and 47 005 (Toe straps, Lapize), but neither are illustrated. I don't know why they misspelled Christophe.



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Originally Posted by Brittster
Ok, maybe a Suntour Cyclone. Saw where they shift better.
A couple of other possibilities include the Campagnolo Rally. It has several different generational styles. I've used the 2nd gen on my '71 Paramount. It shifts okay. Usually every shift requires a bit of trimming.



Currently I'm running a Sachs/Huret Eco Duopar. It can handle the hill climbing range on my 16T-38T freewheel. Also the shifts are more precise.




Another possibility is to find a Campagnolo Nuovo Record RD and convert it to a Rally by installing a long cage. Soma sells these. I was fortunate to have one custom made by HenryIII a few years back and it was installed on a lower end Campagnolo Nuovo Gran Sport model, and I run this on my '72 Super Sport. Shifts about the same as the Rally above.

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I thought I would keep this interesting thread about Chrome Paramounts alive. I picked this up from a former bike shop owner who's father in law had this bike hanging in the garage for decades. This bike is complete with manuals, catalogs, tools and NOS Weinmann grey housing cables in packages. A huge bonus is the Super Record brakes. The bike is not only complete, it is pristine. The areas you see scuffing, such as rear Derailleure, brake levers, pedals and crank arms are nearly flawless. It was well taken care of. I have it dismantled and ready to re-grease and go.

I plan to dispose of the Twin Stik shifters and replace with Campy downtube shifters. I will also place a smaller Regina cog on the back so that I can replace the Gran Turisimo with a Nuovo Record.
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Another great one! And with the original papers and tool kit, too. Almost too much of a good thing on this thread

I could live with the twin stick if I had too, rode a stem shifter on my Lambert for 20 years just because I didn't know any better, and still could do it easily enough.
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Originally Posted by Metacortex
It actually was. An official Schwinn dealer News Flash bulletin dated 11/15/72 states:
...This change is necessitated by the substantially increased costs for performing the full chrome plating operation and our inability to increase prices under the Phase II guidelines.
This is a gorgeous Paramount! I was curious about the statement in the the bulletin that refers to "Phase II." I'm guessing it's a reference to the wage and price controls of the early 70s. So is Nixon responsible for the death of the chrome Paramount?

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This is a gorgeous Paramount! I was curious about the statement in the the bulletin that refers for "Phase II." I'm guessing it's a reference to the wage and price controls of the early 70s. So is Nixon responsible for the death of the chrome Paramount?
Nixon was a good excuse. Keynesian economic theory attempted. Might have worked had the means of production not already have begun to depart for other shores. Bikes were already a "world economy" good. A leading indicator if you will.
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Originally Posted by Noah Scape
This is a gorgeous Paramount! I was curious about the statement in the the bulletin that refers for "Phase II." I'm guessing it's a reference to the wage and price controls of the early 70s. So is Nixon responsible for the death of the chrome Paramount?
That was undoubtedly a part of it, but perhaps a bigger reason was to streamline production. At that time the waiting list for a Paramount was about a year long even though they had almost doubled production from the previous year. According to other bulletins around that same time they had also eliminated lug lining (pinstripes), the re-chroming of frames and they even stopped selling framesets individually.
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