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Old 03-30-15, 09:48 AM
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Classic styled crank for 11 speed

A riding buddy of mine is building up her first road bike. She currently rides circles around everyone I know on a track bike. I managed to talk her into a steel frame, and she wants a classic looking crankset to go with it. She's leaning hard toward Shimano, despite my best efforts to convert her to Campy, so Veloce/Athena is out. All the Velo Orange and IRD cranks are only 10speed compatible. I believe Sugino makes an 11 speed crank, the OX601, but at $400, that's a little steep. Is there currently anything else out there?

Here's the frame for reference:


And the Sugino OX601:
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Old 03-30-15, 12:34 PM
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You talked her into steel - now talk her into 10 speed I use a Dura Ace 7800 crank on my steel road and it looks as classic as anything else today, probably because its the last group that tries to look like alloy - that along with Athena which it sounds like you've already tried.
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11-speed is only a little thinner than 10-speed. I wonder if a 10-speed crank/rings would work fine. I'd be very surprised if a 10-speed crank with 11-speed rings didn't work.
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I am mostly ignorant about modern tech (so take this with a grain of salt), but I did see the recent Howard Zinn blog post in which wrote about 10/11-speeed compatibility: LINK. Basically, he said, in his experience, there are no problems using a 10-speed crank with an otherwise 11-speed drivetrain. He received the following reply from FSA:

Ten-speed chainrings can be installed on an 11-speed crank, just as 11-speed chainrings can be installed on a 10-speed crank. The spiders are identical. However, all of our groups are designed to function as complete groups, so if a 10-speed crank is installed in an 11-speed group or vice versa, we strongly recommend changing to the appropriate chainrings. Ten- and 11-speed should not be mixed. Our 22 groups actually have the chainrings slightly farther apart than our 10-speed groups, in order to ensure that all cogs can be safely reached in the small ring, and the chain and front derailleur are specifically designed to work with that gap. Running a 10-speed chain on 11-speed rings or an 11-speed chain on 10-speed rings could cause chain jams or derailments.
So yes, purchase the power meter of your choice, knowing that it will still be usable when you go 11-speed, but make sure you have 10-speed rings on it when you run it with a 10-speed group.
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Read more at Technical FAQ: Follow-up on 10- and 11-speed compatibility - VeloNews.com

So, all this is to say that, you needn't limit yourself to an 11-speed crank. You'll likely be fine with a 10-speed crank and rings, but you can also use 11-speed rings with a 10-speed crank if you don't want to take any chances.
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Shimano's latest cranks are disgracefully ugly. I find it incredible that some like them.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Shimano's latest cranks are disgracefully ugly. I find it incredible that some like them.

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If that is a Mr. Pink frame it will have a PressFit 30 bearing.
Keep that in mind.
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Shimano's chainring spacing is determined by the small chainring, so one can duplicate narrower spacing on say, a svelte 7410 model 8-speed crankset just by using the small ring from say, a ten-speed Shimano crankset.

Don't use a chain that's more than one step narrower than the chainrings on any new or lightweight frame though, as chainsuck might result that gores the chainstay with force.

The small chainring's teeth can be easily modified by bending a half-millimeter using an adjustable wrench, which I have done many times.

This has allowed me to use modern, narrower chains on old, wide-spaced cranksets like Stronglight 93, or on any crankset where a narrower chain shows a tendency toward "skating" atop the small ring's teeth with the chain threatening to fall between the rings and getting stuck, possibly bending one or more chainrings in the process.

Smaller corrections to the spacing (from the big ring) of the tips of the small ring's teeth can be made simply by holding a file against the rotating small chainring's teeth, beveling the teeth and effectively relocating the tips laterally, which can effect which side of the teeth that the chain's sideplates tend to fall during a downshift.

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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
11-speed is only a little thinner than 10-speed. I wonder if a 10-speed crank/rings would work fine. I'd be very surprised if a 10-speed crank with 11-speed rings didn't work.
I asked this question on the mechanics forum recently, and was told that yes, a 10 speed crank will work fine. The only issue is the chainrings are spaced a little wider, so shifting the FD might take a little finesse. But I suspect it won't be a big deal.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
11-speed is only a little thinner than 10-speed. I wonder if a 10-speed crank/rings would work fine. I'd be very surprised if a 10-speed crank with 11-speed rings didn't work.
Extensive reports of people upgrading to 11 without changing FD or crank say yes.
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@icepick_trotsky the recent 4-arm versions are worse
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The ultegra posted above isn't the latest, the latest has an X design. I'm not sure if it is less or more ugly... I'm leaning toward less, but still not pretty.

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The ultegra posted above isn't the latest, the latest has an X design. I'm not sure if it is less or more ugly... I'm leaning toward less, but still not pretty.
The thing that chafes me is that Shimano's marketing (and the fanboys that will parrot any marketing copy verbatim) has the gall to talk about how the new crank has SO MANY chainring options -- you can configure the same crank as a standard double OR a compact, in four different configurations. Wow, it's like this was never possible before!
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Check out Truvativ as they make some decent looking silver cranks with five arms on the spider. None of that four arm garbage. I hate that Campagnolo went to that setup now. I don't believe Truvativ makes any road cranks anymore as nothing shows on the website but they did a lot of oem stuff. Check out the Elita line otherwise I believe Sram Apex comes in silver and has a classic five arm spider look to it.

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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
The thing that chafes me is that Shimano's marketing (and the fanboys that will parrot any marketing copy verbatim) has the gall to talk about how the new crank has SO MANY chainring options -- you can configure the same crank as a standard double OR a compact, in four different configurations. Wow, it's like this was never possible before!
I just adore the price of the options. $294 list price to replace the outer chain ring on the Dura Ace 9000 crank but we get to save one bolt in exchange for a wildly difficult to manufacture outer ring....yippie. Try finding anyone with the 46T outer chain ring for the compact. Unobtainium. Yes, the 9000 crank is ugly too.
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Could you remove the anosizing of a modern crank and polish the aluminum?
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Could you remove the anosizing of a modern crank and polish the aluminum?
Yes, but you want to start with one like Campagnolo that has a smooth surface. Any of those arms with a matte of pebbled surface would be a nightmare to prep for polish. You also have to pull the bearings and be very careful of the steel axles when stripping the anodizing.

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To the OP. I would try harder to talk her into Campy. The alloy Athena is a beautiful arm. I doubt it would be a problem to run with Shimano ders/shifters if she's dead set against a full Campy drivetrain.
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