Inquiry for Ciocc experts
03-31-15, 10:07 AM
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Inquiry for Ciocc experts
Just found a Ciocc frameset with chrome forks but no pantographing/embossing on fork crowns. I think it is a Competition SL frame, since the driveside stay is chromed. Definitely a Ciocc frame as seatstays are embossed. Question is whether the fork is likely original. Pics later. Thanks.
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Post some pix. Ciocc info is a bit sketchy. I've looked at about a bazillion internet pix trying to ID mine. I've never come across any evidence of a non panto fork crown. But that said my frame has a different lug treatment and I have never found a pix of an identical one. It is definitely a late 70s SL Ciocc frame & fork with the earlier non tail C on both. All the builders probably had deviations from what we think should be a standard years later. Some more than others. My Ciocc is the liveliest ride I have. Enjoy yours!
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Originally Posted by peugeot mongrel
Post some pix. Ciocc info is a bit sketchy. I've looked at about a bazillion internet pix trying to ID mine. I've never come across any evidence of a non panto fork crown. But that said my frame has a different lug treatment and I have never found a pix of an identical one. It is definitely a late 70s SL Ciocc frame & fork with the earlier non tail C on both. All the builders probably had deviations from what we think should be a standard years later. Some more than others. My Ciocc is the liveliest ride I have. Enjoy yours!
Your mention of "liveliest ride" makes me think the fork IS original, as it seems a bit twitchy in handling.
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03-31-15, 03:59 PM
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Mine has the 4 cards logo and CIOCC on the fork crowns.
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04-02-15, 05:56 PM
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Sorry for the blur. Here's what it looks like:
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someone tried to install a lower headset race with a hammer judging by the marks on the crown (ask me how i know )
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Originally Posted by DMC707
someone tried to install a lower headset race with a hammer judging by the marks on the crown (ask me how i know )
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Originally Posted by horatio
Sorry for the blur. Here's what it looks like:
Mine has the earlier stamp.
04-02-15, 09:21 PM
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^ That's the same as the stamp on mine.
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I have a vintage San Cristobal with the "4-suits-in-the-Club" panto plus a later one (early '90s) with a semi-aero crown and that has the word "Ciocc" panto'd in the crown on an angle. Never seen a genuine Ciocc forkcrown that looked like yours...but it's not conclusive.
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I'm thinking it's not a Ciocc fork. Anyone have a spare? lol
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2 on Vermont CL right now. Both have a panto on crown. One painted, the other chrome. I haven't seen a lot of these frames but, I do seem to remember them having logos on the crowns.
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Originally Posted by horatio
I will post some pics after work. It's a real "diamond in the rough."
Your mention of "liveliest ride" makes me think the fork IS original, as it seems a bit twitchy in handling.
Your mention of "liveliest ride" makes me think the fork IS original, as it seems a bit twitchy in handling.
Some measures from Ciocc owners could confirm or deny that.
You could always send it back to have it painted in Italy... And maybe even get a fork made for it by the Man.
That has been referenced on the forum.
04-03-15, 09:23 AM
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I think I've seen Tange forks that look like that.......so yes, most likely a replacement fork....
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Originally Posted by horatio
I'm thinking it's not a Ciocc fork. Anyone have a spare? lol
If that was a Tange fork it almost certainly will be stamped "Tange" on the steerer and probably would have Tange forkends. I think it's some "other Italian".
04-03-15, 04:34 PM
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how bad do you want a nice complete CIOCC? the send it back to the Man in Italy as suggested by repechage is not as expensive as it sounds. i sent a frame back and he turned this 
into this 
... he replaced 2 seat stays and the rear dropouts... so i'm pretty sure he can make you a new fork...
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
what size is your frame, or better: how long a steerer do you need?
If that was a Tange fork it almost certainly will be stamped "Tange" on the steerer and probably would have Tange forkends. I think it's some "other Italian".
If that was a Tange fork it almost certainly will be stamped "Tange" on the steerer and probably would have Tange forkends. I think it's some "other Italian".
I recall a thread where someone sent his Ciocc back to Italy for repainting and rechroming, and it was stunning. Not sure I have the funds for that, but I have inquired Ciocc about cost of a new new fork. Waiting for a response.
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Originally Posted by R3tired
how bad do you want a nice complete CIOCC? the send it back to the Man in Italy as suggested by repechage is not as expensive as it sounds. i sent a frame back and he turned this into this ... he replaced 2 seat stays and the rear dropouts... so i'm pretty sure he can make you a new fork...
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04-04-15, 06:32 AM
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Ciocc forks come and go on eBay on a regular basis.
I just bought one and sold another in Feb. I needed a longer steer tube. The one I just sold --->
And it's replacement --->
I am not an expert but I think it should have a panto fork.
I just bought one and sold another in Feb. I needed a longer steer tube. The one I just sold --->
And it's replacement --->
I am not an expert but I think it should have a panto fork.
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04-04-15, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Frogbutter
Ciocc forks come and go on eBay on a regular basis.
I just bought one and sold another in Feb. I needed a longer steer tube. The one I just sold --->
And it's replacement --->
I am not an expert but I think it should have a panto fork.
I just bought one and sold another in Feb. I needed a longer steer tube. The one I just sold --->
And it's replacement --->
I am not an expert but I think it should have a panto fork.
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04-04-15, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by horatio
That's encouraging. I did a quick search last week, but no forks popped up. I agree a panto'd fork is required. The drop-outs are Campy, so it's probably an Italian fork and not Tange. Will check the steerer for stamping and length shortly. I will also post a pic of the frame.
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Why do you mock the cycling gods?
Your only hope is reciting 10 hail campagnolos to our lady of the duraace.
Your only hope is reciting 10 hail campagnolos to our lady of the duraace.
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04-04-15, 10:02 AM
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Nothing stamped on the fork, save a single number: 6. Steerer length is ~195mm.
Check out this "patina." It's rigged for "evaluation" at this point. Came with the single-speed crank.
Check out this "patina." It's rigged for "evaluation" at this point. Came with the single-speed crank.
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Originally Posted by Frogbutter
Do an advanced search of completed listings for "Ciocc Fork" you will see there has been a number of them just this year already. The two dated Feb 16th and Feb 12th are the two I was party to.
The frame is a little big, so I'll probably just use the existing fork until I figure out whether to keep it or not.
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04-04-15, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by horatio
Ah.... that was your thread. Gorgeous work. PM me if you'd care to share the costs.
- Front derailleur brazed on 40,00€
- New seat stays and rear dropouts 80,00€
- Painting 180,00€
- decals 30,00€
- Chrome fork 70,00€
- Chrome front lugs 40,00€
- Chrome full rear triangle 70,00€
- Ship it back to Canada (by air in 5 days) 110,00€
i paid by PayPal and there was a 30 euro charge to cover their PayPal fee. it was worth it for how simple it made payment.
if you are interested, here is the email i used to contact them. they can sometimes be slow to reply, but they do reply. info@pelizzoliworld.com
