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Old 04-17-15, 11:10 AM
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Interesting comments. I think it shows both how challenging it was to name new functional parts and how poorly we apply terms!

I am bothered by the term bottom bracket as well. I have understand how the term could be used to identify the BB shell as it does act as a bracket not only for the tubes of the frame but he bearing assembly for the cranks. We use the term head set so why don't we say crank set or BB set. Was that the way it use to be phrased but we got lazy? While I am down there, I don't' really see any yarn coming from the spindle. It is an axle after all. There is not real difference in the naming of an axle that is dependent on it being fixed or not. In either case it is dependent on your frame of reference.

I suppose the pedal "spindle" term was used for two possible reasons. First the cage or body of the pedal is like a spool of thread on a spindle. The second is the thought that spin is part of the spelling of spindle, which is what feet do around the pedal and crank.

I am with Sheldon on the saddle vs seat definition. Fixed my reference word on that one. I may start calling the seat post the saddle post just to cause people to listen and think.

Never really used the term gooseneck for the stem, but how did we get stem?

The only time I refer to hand bars is in the plural.

You guys got me using Wikipedia! - "A cog engages with another cog and motion in one will result in motion of the other. Gearwheels that engage with chains are sprockets, not cogs!" When I was young I always called them sprockets. It is only lately that I yielded to peer pressure and called them cogs! Shame on me! Front sprockets and rear sprockets.

OK, ok, ok I am totally confused now about spindles and BB. I can see that the bottom bracket holds the crankset in place so in a way it is a bracket that is made up of bearings and a spindle! Oh yeah, the crank set is not the bearing assemble but the crank assembly with the chain rings, sprockets, chain wheels, what ever!

I'm out!
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize View Post
I've always been bothered by the bottom bracket term as well.
I concur. My biggest pet peeve is for some reason my wife can't understand the difference between a wheel and a tire. I built up a new wheel and was having a devil of a time getting it properly trued/tensioned, so I was frustrated at it enough anyway. Then she kept asking when I was going to get my tire fixed so I could put the truing stand away and talking to my daughter about staying away from "Daddy's tire" because it's broken and he's trying to fix it.
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I am with Sheldon on the saddle vs seat definition. Fixed my reference word on that one. I may start calling the seat post the saddle post just to cause people to listen and think.
What's wrong with using the term seatpin? I like the term a lot.
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Originally Posted by himespau View Post
I concur. My biggest pet peeve is for some reason my wife can't understand the difference between a wheel and a tire. I built up a new wheel and was having a devil of a time getting it properly trued/tensioned, so I was frustrated at it enough anyway. Then she kept asking when I was going to get my tire fixed so I could put the truing stand away and talking to my daughter about staying away from "Daddy's tire" because it's broken and he's trying to fix it.
That is funny.
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Well, "seatpin" is ok for the pin part. How about saddlepin? OK, no! A pin connotes a solid shaft, we use hollow tubes. Here we go again! Can't use saddle tube because it might get confused with the seat tube! My how we like two words instead of three but like three letters for acronyms! I would go for saddle support, or would I?

I suppose back in the 1800's some of the bicycle designs were more in line with using seats rather than saddles, such as the tricycles for women, but even earlier the velocipede had a saddle area more than a seat.
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I've heard a lot of people refer to the "front forks". 'what do you call rear forks ?'
suspension bikes have rear swing arms. which are forks too.

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When Phil Ligget refers to Jan Ulrich pushing a "huge gear", is strictly means "gear ratio".

Unless there is an internally-geared hub, or unless there is a driveshaft with a "ring gear", there is typically no component on a bike that can be called a "gear".

There are only "sprockets", in the form of chainring(s) and cog(s).

I often hear newbies referring to cleats as "clips", making the term "clipless" seem ambiguous.

There are toe clips ("cages"?), there are straps, there are clipless pedals and flat (with a cage or platform) pedals, and there are cleats for both clipless and flat pedals.

Don't get me started on tire sizes(!) or puncture-resistant ("flat-proof") tubes.

And I think that the late Sheldon Brown used the proper English term "derailer" as a single word, though he may have added a hyphen only when explaining why it isn't called a derailleur with an accent and all that.
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Yeah, using the the word "rims" to refer to the whole wheel assembly bugs me to no end.
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How about "one-speed bike"? The only bike that only goes one speed is one that doesn't go at all, speed= zero. All the others move at the infinity if speeds between zero and some higher number.
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You had me at misnomenclature.
Thank you. I'm quite proud of that coinage.

The stupidest coinage in bikedom is groupset. ~~CRINGE~~ Don't group and set mean the same thing?! It sounds so thoughtless. How did this word get its start?
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Thank you. I'm quite proud of that coinage.

The stupidest coinage in bikedom is groupset. ~~CRINGE~~ Don't group and set mean the same thing?! It sounds so thoughtless. How did this word get its start?
The people who say "ATM Machine" thought it up.
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The people who say "ATM Machine" thought it up.
Yeah, the PIN number people.
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Yeah, the PIN number people.
For all intensive porpoises, they're the same bunch.
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For all intensive porpoises, they're the same bunch.
Despite your objections. I will use that term, irregardless. I could care less what the rest of you think.

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Despite your objections. I will use that term, irregardless. I could care less what the rest of you think.

If I were a Neanderthal, I could of taken issue with that.
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The stupidest coinage in bikedom is groupset. ~~CRINGE~~ Don't group and set mean the same thing?! It sounds so thoughtless. How did this word get its start?
It gets even worse when you consider the Russell's paradox... Russell's paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I see this is the Pedants' Unity Thread and I'm in good company.
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Jargon, whatever the field, there to keep the outsiders at bay. Bikes, tax forms. At my current job their philosophy used the same terms the state used in their regs but with very different meanings. I remember sitting in a meeting with my boss and a state surveyor both tossing around the same terms and both totally misunderstanding the other and trying to "translate" English to English without either coming out looking the fool.
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Oh, and another one, people that refer to pedals as peddles or, pendles.
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I referred to this as a 4 speed block the other day...



Some days at the shop I like to mess with people and use nonsense terms to describe various components but "block" is actually an older but legit term for a freewheel.

But when the suicide sticks aren't properly synchronized with your veeblefetzer and your speed attenuators are improperly adjusted you are gonna have problems.
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Oh, and another one, people that refer to pedals as peddles or, pendles.
And...helment.
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I referred to this as a 4 speed block the other day...Some days at the shop I like to mess with people and use nonsense terms to describe various components but "block" is actually an older but legit term for a freewheel.
Block is a term I've only heard in reference to a freewheel with sequentially-sized cogs/sprockets/whatever-the-hell-we-now-have-to-call-thems, like the ancient but venerable 14-15-16-17-18.
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