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Old 04-19-15, 06:25 AM
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Of course, there are smilar issues between British English and American English.The term "presently" has somewhat opposing meanings. In the UK, to say"We will deal with that presently", means "We will deal with that at a later time, shortly in the future". To "Deal with something 'presently'", in the US, means to deal with it 'in the present time'. i.e.,NOW, not in the future....... I can imagne work related scenarios where this difference could be disastrous.
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Peddle is just a misspelling of pedal. Never heard pendle.

Block was somewhat common in the 70's, short for gear block, i.e. freewheel. A straight block was one where each sprocket size was one tooth off its adjacent sprocket.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Peddle is just a misspelling of pedal. Never heard pendle.
It's common in Dutch to write "pendalen" instead of "pedalen", but I've seen "pendles" once or twice here. Bugs the living daylights out of me.
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Peddle is just a misspelling of pedal. Never heard pendle.
Not a misspelling, but a different word. To peddle is to sell. You might encounter bike shops named Bike Peddler as a play on words for Pedaler (as a rep I had dealers who used both of those names), one who sells bikes as well as pedals them.
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Related to an earlier post, why do we call bikes "10 speed" or "12 speed" or what have you based on the the freewheel? Once you get rid of two of the cross-chain gears, your'e already down to 8 usable gears on a 5-speed freewheel, and it's probably more like 6 safely.
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Old 04-19-15, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Thank you. I'm quite proud of that coinage.

The stupidest coinage in bikedom is groupset. ~~CRINGE~~ Don't group and set mean the same thing?! It sounds so thoughtless. How did this word get its start?
I downloaded a browser word-replacement extension a while back specifically to change that word to "gruppo" when i came across it. It's improved my quality of life, I'm sure.
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Old 04-19-15, 06:53 PM
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What's the point of using a consistent grupposet anyway?
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What's the point of using a consistent grupposet anyway?
Nowadays, everything. There's the cable pull ratio between levers and shifters and levers and brakes, and there's sprocket-spacing differences that must be respected both front and rear. There can even be chainring size steps that have to conform to the particular front derailer.

Manufacturers have shown only slight and intermittent preference for making their gruppo parts compatible with any other maker's parts, and often take measures to assure otherwise.
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Originally Posted by dddd View Post
What's the point of using a consistent grupposet anyway?
Nowadays, everything...
Ah, I'm afraid you took my question literally. It wasn't meant to be. Perhaps I should have asked about using a coordinated consistent grupposet collection superset gruppo.

The original point was about a gruppo set. Seems rather redundant to me it seems redundant. I didn't do nuthin' but extend the concept.
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Yeah, that's funny. I find that redundant non-words like groupset are sometimes used when introducing unfamiliar subjects to newbies, maybe to help them grasp a concept. But then these new words don't go away and are repeated.
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I've heard a lot of people refer to the "front forks". I wonder if they every think there might be rear forks.

Of course toe clips are really cages, and pedal/shoe combinations with integrated clips are called clipless.

And wonder of wonder, the bicycle manufacturing industry went over to using English measurements (mostly) instead of metric.
They did so as the French stayed true to metric... No one wanted to copy them.
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Bump. What's your favorite bike misnomenclature?
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Figure 8 (pronounced "fig-YATE") = rear derailleur.
Sponges = Grab On foam grips.
Speed handles = safety levers.
Flettahs = reflectors.
Stretchers = bungee cords.
I gotta admit: this struck me as "Pittsburgh-ese"
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verb: rake; 3rd person present: rakes; past tense: raked; past participle: raked; gerund or present participle: raking
1.
set (something, especially a stage or the floor of an auditorium) at a sloping angle.
(of a ship's mast or funnel) incline from the perpendicular toward the stern.
(of a ship's bow or stern) project at its upper part beyond the keel.

noun
noun: rake; plural noun: rakes
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the angle at which a thing slopes.
2.
the angle of the edge or face of a cutting tool.
So, "rake" is an angle. On bicycles, when we say "rake" we really mean "offset."
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^^ I suspect someone spent some quality time with their bottom bracket and seat post during construction of that diagram.
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Derailleur, or even Sheldon Brown's "de-railler" makes no sense. There is no rail, but there are cogs.
Clearly, the solution is to rename the Derailleur the "chain mover thingy". Some bikes have a front chain mover thingy and a back chain mover thingy. But wait, you object, "Doesn't the crank move the chain also? Isn't it a chain mover thingy?" No, No! It's a chain goer around thingy! Clearly, it makes the chain go around.

If you think this is ridiculous, you've never listened to people explain their problem to a bike mechanic.
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Thank you. I'm quite proud of that coinage.

The stupidest coinage in bikedom is groupset. ~~CRINGE~~ Don't group and set mean the same thing?! It sounds so thoughtless. How did this word get its start?
A close second has to be colorway. If the word snuck out of the fashion industry, shouldn't it have a classy Italian or French equivalent?
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I love "hyperdrive core"....might start using that
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Crank set vs chain set. Crank sets have no rings unless you are Sheldon. Also wondering which includes the bottom bracket?
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"Natural" languages aren't completely logic. Artificial ones are, but they haven't had much success.
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Crank set vs chain set. Crank sets have no rings unless you are Sheldon. Also wondering which includes the bottom bracket?

Wikipedia disagrees and so do I:


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A Shimano Deore right crankset, showing crank arm, spider, three chainrings and chainring guard



Belt-drive crankset on a Trek District



A chainring that incorporates the manufacturer's brand name


The crankset (in the US) or chainset (in the UK), is the component of a bicycle drivetrain that converts the reciprocating motion of the rider's legs into rotational motion used to drive the chain or belt, which in turn drives the rear wheel. It consists of one or more sprockets, also called chainrings[1][2][3] or chainwheels[3] attached to the cranks, arms,[4] or crankarms[5] to which the pedals attach. It is connected to the rider by the pedals, to the bicycle frame by the bottom bracket, and to the rear sprocket, cassette or freewheel via the chain.
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Saddle vs seat. I like Sheldon's distinction between the two:

[I]"You'll notice that I do call them "saddles," not "seats." There is a reason for this. A "seat" is something you sit on, and is designed to bear essentially your entire weight. […] A saddle is intended to carry some, but not all of your weight."
I prefer "a seat is something you sit on; a saddle is something you ride on."
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Wikipedia disagrees and so do I:
I don't make any claim to knowing what is correct. I do remember that one of them should include or used to include the spindle and cups. I think it was an English idiosyncrasy that's gone away.
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