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Putting Genevalle Shifters on a Vintage Bike?

Old 04-16-15, 12:04 PM
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Putting Genevalle Shifters on a Vintage Bike?

Has anyone here taken a vintage road/hybrid/touring bike and put Genevalle shifters on it? I thought of the idea and now have the urge to try it out. It would be using the stock drive train and using the friction Audax Shifters..
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Genevalle shifters? What are those some sort of 'brifter' or old French pre war stuff? Same with Audax.

If your asking about an old road bike with friction type shifters being upgraded to the brake/shift lever combo (brifter) you will likely need to replace most of the drive train derailleurs, cranks, rear hub and freewheel with new components.
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I have. I used 7 speed shimano DT shifters and 9 speed Shimano bar end shifters. Both worked fine in friction and in indexing mode. Ultimately, I did not find the shifting motion that comfotable, so I sold them. I got them when they were call Retroshift.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Genevalle shifters? What are those some sort of 'brifter' or old French pre war stuff? Same with Audax.

If your asking about an old road bike with friction type shifters being upgraded to the brake/shift lever combo (brifter) you will likely need to replace most of the drive train derailleurs, cranks, rear hub and freewheel with new components.
Disregard this. She thoughtyou were taking about brifters.
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A pic of a SRAM brifter was the only thing I got when I internet explorered Genevalle that wasn't a picture of some guy.

What are Genevalle shifters?
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
What are Genevalle shifters?
Looks like they're a cyclocross shifter incorporating a brake lever with a thumb-type shifter:



Cyclocross Shifters

New to me, as well.
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OH like a ah um what do you call it Rerto Shifter or something like that VO or Revendell sells. Looks awkward I would rather have barends.
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Looks like you might need to have more than five fingers per hand to operate those things....
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Somehow I am thinking that the range of motion would make for difficult shifting over the entire spread of the cassette.

I had Kelly Take-Offs on one bike and had trouble even with 6-speed shifters. I found that Command shifters were the best of the breed, by far.
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It looks like getting them here in the good Ole U.S. of A. requires one to go through the Ranndoneurer Society to get them.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
OH like a ah um what do you call it Rerto Shifter or something like that VO or Revendell sells. Looks awkward I would rather have barends.
I believe they're the exact same thing, with the company that makes them having changed names along the way.
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Old 04-16-15, 07:49 PM
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My daily commute bike is a vintage road bike, with Retroshift brake levers, vintage Simplex downtube shifters mounted on those levers, shifting vintage Mavic derailleurs. So, a pretty mongrelized setup. My comments:

- Shift levers mounted on the Retroshift brake mounts are pretty perfect for shifting when you are on the hoods. Your front and index fingers, and thumb, easily reach the levers and sweep them through their range. It is about as easy as shifting Campagnolo Ergopower brifters from the hoods.
- if you are in the hooks, the levers are no longer as easily reached. If you have long fingers, as I do, you can shift from the hooks but it isn't so ready. Ergopower shifters are easier to shift from the hooks.
- the system is simple and you can use any downtube shifter as long as it has a flat base.
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It looks like getting them here in the good Ole U.S. of A. requires one to go through the Ranndoneurer Society to get them.
Their website shows a number of U.S. dealers: Gevenalle Dealer Locator - Gevenalle
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Looks like you can buy direct from their website.
Worked for me last year when I bought a RD.
Shipped right to USA.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
It looks like getting them here in the good Ole U.S. of A. requires one to go through the Ranndoneurer Society to get them.
What? No. They're from Portland.

Here's a pic of a vintage bike I used to have, with retroshift (now Gevenalle) 1x7. To answer the OP's question, that would work fine. Friction shifters work with anything, pretty much.


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I'm using them on my Saint Tropez with Shimano 105 SC indexing levers. I find the Tektro brake levers that they are built into to be very comfortable. The cable routing with compression's housing is clean and efficient. The shifting in the rear has always been slightly off on the indexing. I'm using a Dura Ace 7400 Uniglide cassette with a 105 SC (7-speed) rear derailleur. The shifting on a few of the cogs sometimes requires an oversight. I think it is most likely an issue of derailleur hanger alignment on the rear drop-out. Shifting from the hoods is really comfortable as others have already said.
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They were invented by folks in Portland for the cyclocross scene, specifically. They used to be called Retro Shift, now with the new name.

I've seen @jyl setup and it's pretty sweet.
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There is a double friction shifter version, too.

Portland company hires factories in Taiwan to make them , they sent the design there, then imports them. and is doing distribution to retailer .

Standard Practice in the Bike Biz.

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
It looks like getting them here in the good Ole U.S. of A. requires one to go through the Ranndoneurer Society to get them.
Originally Posted by Jeff Wills View Post
Their website shows a number of U.S. dealers: Gevenalle Dealer Locator - Gevenalle
Originally Posted by Rumpled View Post
Looks like you can buy direct from their website.
Worked for me last year when I bought a RD.
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What? No. They're from Portland.

Here's a pic of a vintage bike I used to have, with retroshift (now Gevenalle) 1x7. To answer the OP's question, that would work fine. Friction shifters work with anything, pretty much.



I was just scanning the website quick and clicked on something that looked like UK shop here, US shop here and that is how I got the Randonneurer Society.

Great looking bike.
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My Retroshift/Gevenalle bike, back when it was clean and freshly wrapped.

When I first got these, I wondered if the shift levers would get in the way when braking. They don't.

One thing I wish is that the shift cables were aero. I don't see any practical way to do that, and cross racers maybe don't care.

My other comment is that the brake levers are not especially "vintage" in appearance.

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